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  • #27989
    bittergaymark
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    The Joan plotline is interesting… I mean, yeah. On what hand…. It is prostitution… On the other hand I don’t know if I’d be at all bummed out if somebody offered my FIVE percent of a major advertising firm for what probably amounted to two hours of bad sex, tops… Many of my jobs have been JUST as degrading and for far less…

    #27990
    bittergaymark
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    Looking back, if I had simply traded on my sex instead of my time, I’d have done much better in life, I think.

    But no… I foolishly wasted all of my 20s and 30s working tirelessly at jobs I truly hated… In hindsight, yeah, I should have just moved in with that older rich guy who wanted to pay all my bills… If I’d devoted even half the time I wasted on day jobs to writing there is NO way I wouldn’t be a great success. Or at least a moderate one… But instead, I tried to be nobel and pay my own way. What a fucking waste of time that was. Time is so fleeting. It’s gone in an instant. And suddenly, you are ancient, over 40, and you find that life might as well be over…

    Only it isn’t. Instead it goes on and on and on…

    What’s the point of having beauty if you don’t use it?

    Money is the only thing that allows you to do what you want to do in life. Have money? You can DO anything? No money? You waste your life doing things you hate to the pay the bills until one day you just blow your fucking head off… Or worse, sit around wishing you were simply selfish enough to do so…

    Slow curtain. The End.

    #28070
    Will.i.am
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    @BGM: That’s why I think the line of “money can’t buy happiness” is foolish. You take one person who can pay their bills comfortably and then another person who is struggling to pay them each month. Ask which one is happier, and it will be the person that can pay their bills comfortably EVERYTIME.

    You are so right about time as well. As an adult, I wasted a good 4 years just partying and being ultimately dumb. Now, that I’ve somewhat made it, and with no kids or divorces in toe, I’m starting to enjoy my late 20′s. There’s something about the reward and gratification you get when you feel mentally you have made it to adulthood. I thought I would never make it, and now that I’m there, it’s awesome!

    Lane drove a hard bargain with Joan. He hit the nail on the head. Knowing that she’s getting divorced and has a little one to take care of, being partner gives her a lot of options, unless the firm was to file bankruptcy, than her weatlh would be miniscule.

    What I liked most is that Lane and Don still had the upmost respect for Joan, with whatever decision she made. Pete, on the other hand, just wanted to write Joan off as a “hooker pawn” so he could get his gain. He didn’t seek out Joan’s feelings, but only cared about himself, which is what really set Joan off. In the end, Joan didn’t like doing it, but she also knew she had single motherhood to look forward too, and she needed to secure a life for her and her child.

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    vizslalvr
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    @Will.i.am – See, I think Lane’s motivations were mixed at best. He didn’t want her to take the cash because he NEEDS that bonus. And, having won the account with Joan’s actions, the firm can now afford to pay them, especially since they needn’t advance Joan the cash straight out of pocket by extending their credit. Win-win for him.

    On the other hand, he did present her with an option that was smarter for her in the long run. But I think his motivation was almost purely selfish. He clearly has feelings for her and I think if he didn’t need that bonus to cover his theft/fraud he would have NEVER supported her decision.

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    Addie Pray
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    @Will – I disagree with your Lane comment. He showed zero respect for Joanie. Just like Pete, he was using her to get what he wanted — he had already sought and received the cash advance (to pay off his English tax troubles) — he encouraged her to take a partnership just to save his ass. He’s a pimp like that sleazy Pete. Roger? Eh, he was tricked, I’d say. I mean, he thought per Pete that Joan was in on it. He should have known better. And if he didn’t know better and believed she was game, he should have stopped her like Don tried. …. God I hate Pete.

    Isn’t it fun talking about these characters like they are real?

    #28283
    bittergaymark
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    I disagree with you, Addie. Lane actually did totally do the right thing, it was very convenient though as it also just happened to save his ass. This happens a lot in real life, I think. Lane was sincere in wanting to get the best deal for Joan… But it was certainly easy for him to do so.

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    Addie Pray
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    I think you’re giving Lane too much credit. Didn’t you see him smirk at the end when Joan left after his bullshit line that he cares for her and why else would he put her interest over the companies? That smirk said it all.

    #28472
    bittergaymark
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    I didn’t take that as a smirk at all… He looked visibly upset and mad at himself more than anything… Also, you must not watch the show that closely. It isn’t Joan who leaves the room, but Lane…

    #28477
    iwannatalktosampson
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    I hate Pete. I always hate him. There has never been an episode I didn’t want to punch him in the face. That is all I have to add for today.

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    I agree with everyone who wrote about the importance of money and using looks to your advantage to obtain it. In college I just dated whoever I wanted- I was never intending on marrying any of them and my parents gave me money so I just didn’t care. But as soon as I graduated I decided I was only going to date successful guys, preferably those with wealthy families. You only live once, and money = freedom, security, the ability to DO things in this world. Would anyone say “Oh, the ability to do the things you want isn’t important! That won’t make you happy!” No, that’s crazy. Money is so much more than just paper. It’s where you live, what you do, how many kids you can have, how often you can see your loved ones, what good you can do for the world, and what memories you can make during this short time on earth. Pretty important I would say!

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    Also I agree Lane wanted her to take the part of the company for his own benefit.. I hope hers as well, but now I’m nervous this is leading up to a bankruptcy scare.

    Also, I really like the Ginsberg character. He’s definitely my favorite new character. Megan is still growing on me… I don’t hate her as much as I used to. But i just don’t believe Don Draper would be that in love with her. Maybe she’s just not my type? But i think the actress acts like an akward nervous teenager and not this cosmopolitan free-spirit woman they try to write her as. I think she was miscast.

    #28671
    MaterialsGirl
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    W…..O…….W

    New it was coming. Didn’t know it would happen so soon. Every other character at their brink was brought back. Interesting that the crappy jaguar couldn’t get it done and it wasn’t enough to make him rethink what he was doing.

    #28672
    iwannatalktosampson
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    I saw it coming too!! I can’t wait to see the downward spiral this sends don into. How awkward was Betty’s random maternal instincts?

    #28674
    MaterialsGirl
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    Totally. Slightly endearing but then again the jab at Megan at the end. “she needs her mother”

    I’m wondering if Megan will be the first to cheat….

    Also, I thought don gave lane a fair shakedown. He should have asked don in the first place. He also didn’t admit to his second wrong which was extending the credit line in order to give the bonuses. When Pete couldn’t come up with the money in the beginning to keep the place afloat, he at least told someone. Lanes problem has always been his lack of relying on anyone else. All the other characters have before( maybe not everytime but when down, they are never soo far). Don has never seen suicide as the answer to any problems. Remember when his half brother did? I knew it could never be don… Lane makes perfect sense… Never honest about money or his troubles. Couldn’t even tell his wife they couldn’t afford that school for their son.

    #28675
    iwannatalktosampson
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    Oh man I completely think Megan will be the first to cheat too! I am definitely on the same page as you tonight. There are just all these slight hints that she is unhappy or just feels the need to control him before he controls her if that makes sense. Like shes insecure enough about their relationship I could see her cheating just so she can beat him to it. I wonder when/how the partners will find out don fired him – because I know they will. I’m sure Pete will have some asshold selfish comment about it.

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