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- December 14, 2016 at 10:43 am #664087
Yes, it’s definitely the “whipping people into a frenzy” over this. An making it a ‘key’ election point to distract people. (the opposition of Roe v Wade that is, the defense of is incredibly important).
Keyblade.. that makes perfect sense. They want to be able to ‘keep’ the basic outline of Roe V Wade to continue making it a rallying point, but effectively take away all of its power with these nuances, controls and regulations. Makes a lot of sense.December 14, 2016 at 3:00 pm #664129
The problem is many people are single-issue voters, and that issue is abortion. They will vote for the anti-abortion candidate no matter what. My mom was telling me about a conversation she had with a friend of hers who said the voted Trump because she was “pro-life.” My mom was like, “well, what about XYZ” (listing Trump’s other “positions”) and her friend was like “oh, I didn’t know about any of that.” All those folks pay attention to is the words “pro-life” and they can’t be bothered about anything else.December 14, 2016 at 3:21 pm #664131
@_s_, yeah, I know that’s the Catholic Church’s thing. My family is Catholic. I’m not, but my grandpa still signs me up to receive the Catholic Register, a newsletter thing that the church puts out. Every time the elections come round, they have all these pieces about which way to vote, and of course it’s for the right. They even had this one piece where they listed 10 important issues… things like caring for the poor, etc. 9 of the 10 were ones that only the left cares about. Abortion was the only one supported by the right. Conclusion: vote Conservative. Pathetic.
The difference here is I think a lot of people are Catholic in name only. In Quebec for sure, pretty much everyone’s Catholic, but most people live together before marriage and use birth control and stuff. So maybe the message just isn’t as strong here. Religion doesn’t seem to be quite as big a part of people’s personal identity as it is in the US. It’s important for sure, but people aren’t as open or vocal about it.December 14, 2016 at 3:46 pm #664135
I think it’s also because the US has a large (or at least loud) fundamentalist and evangelical community, as well, and they more or less only vote against abortion or gay rights, everything else be damned.
It’s so stupid, though. A lot of those same people need government programs like Obamacare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability Benefits, food stamps, housing assistance, VA benefits, etc., either for themselves or relatives. (Not to mention things like an education and clean air and water!) And, their churches sure as shit aren’t going to pick up the slack long term when all of the poor, elderly and sick parishioners need financial help. What are those people going to do then? And, do I care, really?
I’m having a really hard time with that question. For the ones who voted for Trump, I don’t like it, but there’s a big part of me that just thinks “they deserve what they get” for being willing to sell their souls just to cause pain and hardship to women, minorities, gays and immigrants. So fuck them all and let it burn. Of course, that’s pretty easy for me to say, since, by the grace of god, I am likely (hopefully) not going to be as adversely impacted by a Trump presidency as many, many, many others. Unfortunately, no mater how much time, money and energy I donate or devote to helping prop up causes I believe in (and I am and will), I know that so many people who DIDN’T vote for this and who voted against it, but don’t have the privilege that I do are going to be really harmed in ways that we have yet to fully see and I am so fucking angry about that. And, I’m not sure what to do with it. I can’t fathom being this angry for 4 (or god help us 8) years.December 14, 2016 at 6:24 pm #664171
We may only have to be angry for 2.. Let’s hope we can make some changes in this next round of elections for reps and senatorsDecember 21, 2016 at 10:17 am #665230
Kate, I get your point on Kasich trying to appear moderate but on the other hand, I wish Texas would stop wasting millions of taxpayer dollars defending the unconstitutional laws thy keep passing. Smokescreen or not, not signing was the right answer from a fiscal sense.December 21, 2016 at 1:46 pm #665271
I’m Catholic and I actually vote Dem very much because of that. I’ve never been told at church that I should vote a specific way on abortion and I mean it isn’t mentioned in the bible so I think it would be hard to make a good Christian case for it if they wanted to.
That has been one of the worst things for me about this election cycle personally. You can’t really claim to be Christian and then not stand up for others safety and civil liberties. Plus you can’t be “Pro-Life” if you don’t want to help refugees or criminals or non-Christians. You have to give a crap after birth too.
Ugh sorry. Just wanted everyone to know that we aren’t all insane and some of us actually know what the bible says about how to treat people (all people) and vote accordingly.December 21, 2016 at 2:03 pm #665277
Honestly? I don’t have a huge problem with this. It’s much better than the heartbeat ban… After three or so months, I start to get uneasy about abortions to be honest.December 22, 2016 at 2:20 pm #665489
@dmarie, I know it’s not all Catholics (or all Christians). Obviously it’s not, because here in Canada there are plenty of Catholics and other Christians who vote left. But the Catholic Church is most definitely anti-abortion and they’ve got the “reasoning” behind it all worked out. Doesn’t matter if it’s in the Bible or not. If you’re Catholic you follow what the Pope says, not the Bible. At least the new Pope is a better example of what it is to be Christian than many of the past ones have been. But make no mistake, whatever he says, the vast majority of the Church leadership is same old, same old.January 3, 2017 at 1:46 pm #667142
@dmarie, for the record, the “bible” actually does have a clear stance on abortion but it’s not the Christian bible, it’s the Torah. Christians seem pretty content to pick and choose the parts of the Torah that work for them (gay = bad, cheeseburger = ok) but it is in there.
Catholics are also slightly less hypocritical in that they are not supportive of the death penalty. And I know Catholics who distribute food and coats to the needy and a couple that have taken on caring for their unwed daughter’s child vs quietly getting her abortion and then pretending like it never happened. If you’re going to be pro-life, you have to be pro-every-life not just the ones that are convenient.