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February 3, 2017 at 10:41 am #672006
This is somewhat of a tangent, but a couple years ago, a friend of mine dated a guy from rural Ohio for about a year. He LOVED talking about how difficult it was to be a white man, for many of the reasons listed above. He was awful.February 3, 2017 at 11:09 am #672009
This election has been so surreal to me. Right before the last presidential election, I spent about a month in a very rural area doing fieldwork. I talked to probably over 100 people during that time about their childhoods, how their area has changed over time, if they’d seen large migrations to their area. I heard a lot about the loss of small family farms to large corporations, the “Walmart effect” that drove out small businesses, the increase in meth and crime surrounding that, the loss of small local schoolhouses to big schools that are farther away (and require transportation to get to rather than accessible by foot), the growing role of the local institutions like libraries to help people get jobs and build community or provide after-school care. Maybe three of those talked about the government and this was a month or less before the election.
What I did not hear about was any of the talking points from the right from this election. I listened to what seems like the same population and their problems, and they knew what was taking their jobs then (they did not shy away from telling me) and it wasn’t immigrants, minorities, women, etc. I’ve been thinking about this lately and whether I’d get the same answers now.February 3, 2017 at 11:19 am #672010
@Copa, my husband describes being a straight white male as “playing life on easy mode”. He was right-wing in his youth, was in the armed forces, etc. Now he’s probably further left than I am. In Canada, that means further than Sanders. I asked him why he flipped. He said he went to a Conservative rally (right-wing party) before the 2000 election which was celebrating GW Bush. And the things they were supporting was sickening. So he started reading more, and the more he learned about the policies, the further left he went. Now he’s a huge politics nerd, and very left-leaning as I mentioned.
There *is* hope, I suppose. Although one big difference with my husband is that he was living in a large multi-cultural city. Also both his parents are immigrants (European, but still immigrants). So that probably helped.February 3, 2017 at 11:34 am #672011
@redroverredrover that’s a really interesting analogy. I, too, used to vote Republican but then did a lot more research during and after college and switched parties.
@mucha – I feel you and your anger. I went on a tangent similar last night to my SO. It’s kinda sad how much this affects me. I’ve woken up in somewhat of a bad mood every day since the election. If that makes me a baby “special snowflake,” I don’t give a fuck. I’m mad as hell.February 3, 2017 at 1:59 pm #672027
@gt – if you voted and voted HRC then no, you’re not a special snowflake. Special snowflake status is reserved for people who didn’t vote because they didn’t like either option and couldn’t possibly choose between two less than ideal options and now are butthurt because they disagree with selection of cabinet members, justices and the executive orders being flung like a monkey flings shit.
For those who voted for the grand tangerine and are now mad that he’s taking away things (like healthcare) or going back on promises that he could never ever keep (like investigating Clinton) – they are not special snowflakes. They are idiots and deserve your rancor.February 3, 2017 at 2:42 pm #672031
There are definitely pro-Trump people who are calling everyone who disagrees with Trump “special snowflakes”. But who cares?February 4, 2017 at 11:42 am #672067
I just read the linked HBR article. I DID get all that, even as a liberal professional woman living in the northeast. These are not new concepts. Yes, it’s sad that so many fewer people (men) can support their families with manufacturing jobs (which apparently they hated anyway? Even though they had no desire to be professionals and what they really want is to run their own businesses… so go fucking do it, then. I don’t know wtf you actually want except to be up close & personal with Robin Leech) and just a high school education. And yes, political parties need to do something to really address these issues for the working / middle class. But hey, Joan, drop the condescending tone. We knew all this already. We’re not “stupid.” Sorry, but the stupid people are the ones who were fooled by Trump.February 4, 2017 at 11:54 am #672068
You know who I keep seeing achieve the successful business owner archetype? IMMIGRANTS! Like my hairdresser who came from a Muslim country at 19 without any English and by 36, with her Asian friend, owned a top salon on Newbury St. in Boston that keeps piling up awards 5 years later. And all your Uber drivers who own a business and have a side hustle.
Don’t tell me the WWC guys in the article don’t see this and resent it. Don’t tell me my opinion that they’re racist and xenophobic is simplistic.February 6, 2017 at 12:42 pm #672332
@kate for sure. I totally agree with you. All of the immigrants I know truly lived the American Dream, even if that meant working two jobs. No complaints from them.February 6, 2017 at 1:01 pm #672333
Gee. Funny. It used to be one could become a terrific success and NOT work two jobs to do it… but THAT American Dream is clearly dead. Long dead. It’s also NOT surprisingly that that has left A LOT of people pretty fucking pissed off. Exactly why they turned to Donald Trump, I don’t know or understand. But I get the anger. I get the outrage…February 6, 2017 at 1:06 pm #672336
I get it too… that’s why the author’s tone is kind of irritating, like, “y’all don’t know this!”February 6, 2017 at 1:11 pm #672339
Everyone gets the anger. It’s just hard to give a shit about white men losing their privilege when other people are working 2 and 3 jobs and still struggling.