“My Siblings Make Me Do Everything For Our Aging Parents”
My problem is the uneven distribution of household chores. I find myself spending four or more hours a day before and after work cleaning up after my sister’s children, taking care of her dogs, and trying to get as much yard work done as possible. My sister never seems to be able to clean up after herself or her children. I understand that she’s a single mother, and that can be a tremendous struggle in and of itself, but she often has her friend come over and they hang out and watch me mop the floors or sweep up my nephews’ Cheerios. I think that during the time she has another set of eyes on her children, she could clean up their mess. Every time I even try to mention it, she accuses me of calling her a bad mother.
My two brothers are always “offering” to help me out more, but then never seem to be able to show up when I ask. On days when they’ve promised and failed to show up because “something came up,” they’ll often post photos of themselves on Facebook relaxing at some lake or out with friends. A lot of the work I need help with requires heavy lifting and, strong as I may be, I’m not physically able to do it on my own and really could use their help. They both have good-paying jobs and the means and time to help, but they never show up. One brother works in landscaping and has easy access to lawnmowers, hedge trimmers, and all of the other tools I need to to get the yard in order. I’ve been using an old rusted push mower for months now because we don’t have an automatic one at the house.
To make matters worse, my oldest brother, “Kevin,” stops around the house frequently to go jogging through the neighborhood, do laundry, or even just “borrow” food. I’ve begged him to take the larger of the three dogs running with him but he never has. I walk the larger of the three dogs twice a day, about two miles around the track each time and then I have to come back and walk the two smaller dogs. Rinse, lather, repeat twice a day, every day. I pay for all of the dogs’ medical and daily expenses, and I’m the only one who walks the dogs even though they aren’t even mine! To make things even MORE irritating, often when Kevin comes over he jokes about how “neglected” the dogs and the house are. I do everything in my power and beyond to make sure these dogs are well taken care of! Even when I’m worn out from work, mopping, dusting, taking out the trash, mowing the lawn, changing the cat box (oh yeah, there are two cats involved here), sorting my nephews’ toys, and sweeping the floors, those dogs get walked and played with. I’m a big animal rights activist and I would never sit by and let the dogs or cats go unattended to. I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night thinking the animals were left wanting. I know he’s only joking, but it still hurts. He gets to spend all of his free time doing what he enjoys and spending time with his girlfriend, but I can’t even find the time to see my boyfriend or practice my creative endeavors like music — which I went to college for.
I don’t make much money where I am now and I’m still willing to shell out as much as needed for cleaning supplies, dog supplies, and anything else. A few weeks ago I read something Kevin posted on Facebook about how “ridiculous” his parents home is, and I broke down in tears. It’s one thing to share a private joke with family, it’s another to post it on the internet for the world to see, and none of it was true anyway.
Am I being taken advantage of here or am I being self-absorbed and jealous over my siblings’ freedom? What can I do to to elevate some of the strain? — “Tired of being Cinderella”
You are being taken advantage of, and you’re enabling that. You have made it beyond easy for everyone to take advantage of you. I don’t even understand why you’re living at home. You say it’s to save money, but are you even saving anything at all when you spend so much on dog food and vet bills and cleaning supplies and “anything else” needed around the house? Move out already!! My goodness, the hours you spend cleaning up after everyone else could be spent at a second job if you need the money. Or you could have a life — you could hang out with your boyfriend, play music, and still stop by your parents’ home a couple times a week to help out in a much more manageable way that doesn’t sacrifice your own wellbeing.
Once your siblings see that you will no longer be doing everything, they will have no choice – or, much less choice – but to step up and help out. Your sister, especially, will have to take responsibility for her kids and her dogs. And all of you together — including your parents! — will have to discuss a way to divide household chores in a way that works for the seven of you. Maybe one brother does yard work, maybe you do some grocery shopping and cook a dinner for your parents once a week. Maybe you get your parents to hire cleaners once a week or twice a month! Can they afford that? If not, maybe among five children, you all can pitch in $30 a month to at least have the place deep-cleaned once every few weeks.
The point is, with four siblings, you should not be shouldering all the burden of caring for aging parents, and you sure as shit shouldn’t be shouldering the burden of caring for your sister’s dogs and her kids. Get a backbone and say no to this! I get that you’re an animal rights person and all that, but what about YOUR rights? What about YOUR needs? You’re putting yourself last on the list of priorities and no one else but you is going to fight to move you closer to the top of your own list.
It’s time to set some boundaries, and the only way I see that happening is if you move out. It’s also time for your parents to step up and ask for help from someone other than you. Just because they’re old and in not-so-great health doesn’t mean they can’t call up one of your brothers and ask if he can come mow the lawn or trim the hedges. Also, maybe it’s time for them to think about downsizing. They obviously can’t maintain the upkeep of such a large house and yard, and neither can the rest of you, so why are they living there? Time to sell 80% of everything and move into a two-bedroom apartment or even an assisted living facility.
These are all things your family should be discussing. These are proactive steps toward maintaining independence and healthy boundaries among your family members. But, see, everyone else apparently feels fine with the status quo — the one in which you’re the only person doing anything — so no one else is going to bring it up. You have to. And no one is going to listen to you unless you move out and stop doing everything for everyone. Once your parents and siblings realize that shit has to be done and you’re not around to constantly do it, they will be much more open to creating a plan that works for everyone. Including you.
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LW:
I think you need to act more like a manager and less like the hired help. Make lists for people, delegate, then then follow up. I mean, I know your parents are old, but they can’t dust? how old are the kids? can they have small chores? Your sister and brothers as well. Also, I like Wendy’s ideas about outsourcing some things. I know my husband and I both work full time and have a son. So we make the joke that we outsource a wife. So I get groceries delivered from Peapod. It is $8 a trip and then I tip the driver. But they bring the groceries to the house. Or I have a cleaning lady. I know house size varies but it is $85 a cleaning. It is worth every penny. You need to let people know how you feel. Did you tell your brother what you wrote here? Also, stop asking, and start telling. Next time your brother comes over, say “Take the big one” and hand him a leash. Then sit there and be quiet and make it uncomfortable. If he says no, look him in the eye and say, “this is the least you can do for me.” then sit there and make it uncomfortable. If he jokes it off, say. “We will have words when you get back and I want you to know that you are willfully making my life harder.” It is your life so take it back.
one more note, this one really stuck with me because I feel for you so much. People need you to be specific about things. I remember my Husband’s Grandfather moved in with one of his daughters. The daughter that took him did 95% of the work and grumbled about the work load. However, people didn’t know how to help or what she needed. She expected people to just look around and help. Well, one day she just put the grandfather into a home without telling her sisters. The situation got so bad, that when he passed away, the aunt who cared for him for years did not attend his funeral. Nobody asked me but in hindsight, she should have sat down the family and said I expect the following from the kids, from the grand kids. You need to be firm and follow up. This will help in the working world as well. Fight for yourself
So you take care of your sisters kids, and pets for free, plus clean up after them while taking care of your parents? Your sister sounds like an asshole, who pulls out the bad mother card to keep you at her beck and call, I assume she is living there free of charge as well, and now she has a free housekeeper, who also pays her vet bills. Your brothers sound like they only care about themselves, because they know you will always be there to pick up the slack. So stop being there, start making unbreakable plans for yourself, and stick to them, everyone else around are grown-ups, they can figure things out for themselves, it seems like things might have to get worse for them to get better for you. I would also talk to your parents, and tell them this is something you have to do.
No she is not taking care of the kids. Only cleaning up after them.
Wendy is 100% right. You have nothing to do there. You are an adult, stop playing the housemaid, or worse, the martyr. Just live your life instead of trying to control everybody, and complaining about your self-inflicted chores. Your parents are in charge of their house, not you. Let them sort out their situation: there are still in possession of their mind, Put your energy in finding a place to leave, finding a better job, exert your musical formation and build your life with your boyfriend. All this is your way of escaping your responsabilities.
Wendy is right. The only way to make this stop is to move out. My parents used me as their personal maid from the age of 5/6. I have 2 brothers and 4 sisters. After I moved out, they had to pick up the slack. My youngest 2 sisters and brother suffered the brunt of it (picking up the slack). And they ran like hell to college or the Army. Now my parents have to do it themselves. You need to move out and live your own life and dreams. I moved out at 19, and have never regretted it, even if it meant struggling to put food on the table and keep a roof over my head.
Seriously, the only way to stop being the person doing all the chores, is to stop doing all the chores!
When your sister is finished serving your nephew breakfast, leave the breakfast for her to clean up! Don’t mow the lawn! Let it grow! At some point, one of your brothers should step up and do it.
None of them do the things you want them to do because you’re just going to do it anyway. Sure, you’re being taken advantage of, but you’re allowing them to do so and then griping when they don’t do what you want them to do.
Flip the table. Do what they do. You might be surprised at how much the others will step up once they realize that no one else is going to do it.
There are a few questions:
1. Who owns the house ? Your sister or parents ?
2. If there is mortgage to be paid, who is paying it ?
3. Does your sister work at all ?
4. Who cooks the meals ?
5. Who owns the dogs ? Who used to care for them before you moved back home ? Who owns the cats
6. Whose decision it was to have a animal menagerie without planning to care of them ?
I am asking these questions, because the owner of the pets is the person who needs to take care of them. Or if they can’t take care like your parents, they should give them up to people like your brother ‘Kevin’ who seems to be concerned with their state of welfare.
I’m sorry LW, but I know your type. Does everything, complains about not getting any help, plays the martyr in the situation, continues to do everything the same. I know your type because I am the same. Always complaining about having to do everything and never doing something to change the situation.
The only logical way out for this is, like EES, moving out. If you “make lists, delegate, start putting more responsibilities on other people”, you will hit a brick wall. These people have not helped you before, they won’t compromise to do something now. You need to move out. Help with what you CAN do. Start thinking about yourself.
What incentive is there for them do anything if they know you’ll do it yourself? I get that a person with some sort of integrity would have enough intrinsic motivation to help out on their own, but your siblings seem self-absorbed and lazy.
Moving out as soon as possible is the key. I think you need to adjust what you’re doing around the house to help make that happen faster. So, if you’re spending too much on cleaning supplies and other stuff to save money, then stop. If you’re spending too much time on it to make enough income, then reduce your time.
No one is going to set boundaries for you but you.
Just FYI, the “vast majority” of your generation does not live at home to save money. I think I read a statistic that 25% of recent college graduates are moving home. There’s nothing wrong with it in and of itself, but don’t use that idea to make excuses for why you’ve made these choices. I think most parents are making a mistake by not charging their kids rent (outside of personal crisis, temporary) and most kids are making a mistake by not offering it. If you pay rent and clean up after yourself, your obligations are done.
Honestly? Yeah. Move out. And for the love of Pete, stop paying other people’s vet bills. As a dog walker you should be making 100 or more a day for those three dogs if you walk them multiple times…
Okay, your parents are aging, but are they bedridden? Wheelchair-bound? I get not wanting them to do heavy yard work, but are they unable to perform basic household tasks? Why are your parents a non-factor in their own home? Why don’t they have an opinion about your sister staying in their home and not cleaning up after her kids?
Regardless of the answers: Just move out. Nobody’s going to die if Cheerios are left unswept and the mantle isn’t dusted for awhile. Someone who actually lives in the house will have to step up. I kind of get why your brothers aren’t doing so, because both of their sisters are living rent-free in their parents’ home, while they are supporting themselves. Maybe they figure doing some cleaning and care taking is the tradeoff.
Honestly? Yeah. The attitude of the brothers seems more than justified. The REAL problems is the mother of the year. Oh, and the LW’s parents who apparently do absolutely fucking nothing. Never mind lifting a finger, how fucking hard is it to open one’s mouth…
Plus if there’s 3 dogs, how many Cheerios are REALLY left? I think my 1 dog eats everything half a second before it hits the ground.
I was totally thinking this. My dog is my kitchen floor cleanup crew, it’s the way he contributes to the household.
I sort of wondered what “aging” meant, too. My aunt and uncle are 70 and 75, and they still do all their normal household chores. I’m sure one of their kids comes over for big chores, but they don’t have any desire for people to treat them like their bedridden.
What the hell? Why are you doing this to yourself? It doesn’t seem like anyone has forced you to take on all these tasks. Presumably they were somehow getting done before you moved back in. So just stop! Do as much as you feel like doing, and no more. There’s no need to martyr yourself to this situation. Are you hoping that your siblings and parents will wake up one day and start appreciating everything you do for them? It doesn’t sound like that’s going to happen. So stop doing the chores! Save up, and move out.
So I am wondering if the house was filthy and in disrepair before she started doing this and maybe the dogs are neglected. Like she feels like she can’t live that way and maybe she doesn’t want her family to live that way
I did start by thinking that chores seem a fair trade for living in the parents’ house rent-free, but the amount of chore time is excessive. I don’t feel like any house really needs 4 hours a day of upkeep and if you give it that then it better be pristine sparkling clean. I am wondering if maybe the LW holds things to a higher level of cleanliness than is feasible…
If sister wants to leave dirty breakfast dishes in the sink until she gets home from work, does that matter? If grass is only cut once every other week instead of every week, isn’t that ok? And why bother sorting the kids toys? Kids live there, they have toys, so what?
LW — you should pick a feasible amount of time–2 hours max– to devote to house chores and prioritize accordingly. (And don’t prioritize taking care of your sister’s kids, that’s her job and i bet she’ll step up if you stop enabling her)
I will say it’s nice you walk the dogs and maybe should consider reframing the dog walks as not in the same bucket as other chores. I mean, I walk my dog about 2 miles a day, but I think of that as exercise for both of us. Unless you have a super-physical job, it’s good for you to get this daily walking. Listen to music or a podcast, take some deep breaths of fresh air, and be happy for the time to yourself to get some exercise and get out of what sounds like a kinda crazy house. (That said, can you cut their walks down from 2 miles each, or walk all 3 together? Maybe they can get the extra energy out by running in the yard, if you have one?)
And finally, if your parents aren’t destitute, you should talk to them about maybe taking some of the burden off of their children (all of their children). Can you guys hire a lawn company (maybe even work out a deal with the brother’s lawn company)? Or a maid once a week– or even once a month?
The curious thing here is the lack of any mention of the parents doing anything about their own house. How old are they? Given the LW’s age, unless they had her when they were in their 50’s, they’re not very elderly. I mean, my mother is 83 and she cleans her place and does the shopping and manages the household just fine. My dad was still doing all of the yard work at 90.
The bottom line here is, LW, they’re not doing anything because you’re doing it all. It gets done without them having to. Yes, it would be nice if they’d offer, but if it’s all done without their having to offer…they’re gonna let you do it.
So, as others have said, move on out. Move in with friends temporarily if you have to. Or, get a second job. If you’re going to work day and night, you might as well be getting paid for all of it. You’ll have the money to move out sooner, and they’ll learn to deal with the house and kids because they’ll have to.
LW, in that case you should move out even quicker. Before your sister starts her 3rd pregnancy.
And keeping the dog for the sake of a child is even more silly. He is young and get over it even if the dog is gone.
Look, your parents should have kicked your sister when she hooked up with the second loser . If could not take care of her kid, she would have dropped him with your parents and ran out as irresponsible as she was ( or is). Again, is she working at all ? Who is supporting her financially ?
Let your parents sell the house if they cannot take care of it. Your sister is on her own or one of your siblings will take care of her in future.
You can’t take of your sister. If you try to be her little mommy, she is going to hate you for it. What about your life? You say you have a bf, but really, how can you ACTUALLY have a real bf with the time commitments you describe. Live your own life. It sounds like you are throwing it away on people who actively dislike you for throwing your life away on them. You have a martyr complex. This is a case where a personal therapist really could help you to get your head on straight. Really, you are throwing your life away because you don’t think your sister would take good enough care of her dogs if you left? You needed to move out yesterday, but please do so tomorrow. Have you actually saved any money, or have you spent it caring for your sister’s dogs. You don’t say a word about what your bf thinks of all of this and what extremely little time you must devote to your relationship. I don’t think you actually have a bf.
LW — you came for advice and you received advice. Then you proceeded to make more excuses why you need to continue to play dog-sitter, kid-sitter, mommy daddy sitter, house cleaner, yard worker, shopper… it goes on and on.
The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result.
Your situation will not change as long as you choose to live in Crazy-ville and martyr yourself.
Get a life. Get an apartment. Leave the dogs. Get a job. Get two jobs. Your parents sound like they have a brain. If they get sick of the situation post-move-out — then I’m sure they’ll do something about it. Tell Kevin he’s in charge of mom and dad’s well being. The End.
LW: This is one hot mess of everyone being too afraid to make the hard decisions necessary. Right now: If your mom wants your sister to stay with them, then your parents need to assist with childcare so your sister can get out of the house and start working. Your sister needs to be empowered to work so she can take future care of her family, without needing ‘handouts’ from family or the latest boyfriend. Dogs: Why can’t your sister put the kids in a pram and get outside with the dogs? It would be good for all of them! Yardwork: Ask your brother for a quote to do the yardwork, once a month, with your other brother assisting. ALL of you contribute to this cost (including your sister, who should be WORKING). Housework: all adults living in the house should be contributing to the housework. Assign jobs to everyone if you have to. If it’s too hard – then your parents need to sell up and downsize. Accept what you can for the house as it currently is – realistically, if they haven’t been able to take care of it up till now, they are not going to suddenly get the energy or money to do a major rehaul. Accept that things aren’t perfect; make the best with what you’ve got. Finally, move out and live your own life, where you can live it the way you want. If you really can’t afford it, then make changes, or accept your family for who they are. Do something or quit complaining!
If your dad can’t take care
LW1) You are living in Fantasy Land. I understand why — but sweetie, you simply cannot MAKE your siblings better people. And frankly, they sound pretty fucking terrible. I feel your pain. Especially about your sister who is why I am PRO-ABORTION. Not pro-choice, PRO-ABORTION… You can either take care of everyone else? Or take care of yourself. The choice is yours…
I don’t think you should feel that bad for the LW at all, it seems like she is the only one putting her self in this situation, it doesn’t seem like there is a single person forcing her to do this, and not a single person making her stay in this situation. You don’t hear anything about “if you live under my roof you’ll follow my rules” type BS, it really is all the fear in her head that somebody in her family might not like her if she doesn’t do all of these things.
See, I think she is paralyzed by this because she loves them. I am making the assumption here that the house would be filthy without the LW. And she doesn’t want to see her family live is squalor. I mean, 3 unwalked dogs and hours of chores. It sounds like she is rearranging chairs on the titanic. I think she needs a way of seeing that she can step back lovingly and be better for herself and her family if she does so. She sees this as dooming the family and pets if she walks away and what she needs to see is that there is a middle road.
is this even real this reads like trauma fiction. I mean, she even has a landscaping brother that refuses to cut the parents lawn. If this is true LW needs to move out, like yesterday
I was thinking the same thing Wendy said about the second job! Between no longer paying for your sister’s and parents expenses plus the free time you will have, getting a second job will probably make it surprisingly affordable to move out. And even withheld second job I think you will find tou have even more free time for yourself. Please leave that abusive situation. and yes, this is abuse because they are criticizing your efforts on top of it all! And somehow, Im guessing you ate the youngest, which makes this seem even more insane.