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    Miss MJ
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    Honestly, at this point, the CDC should just acknowledge that (1) we’re all going to get covid at some point and the vaccine helps prevent you from dying; (2) immunity wanes and we’re all going to need boosters unless and until they develop a longer-lasting shot; and (3) people who got J&J need to get an mRNA vaccine and, likely, vice versa, since studies out of Europe show that cross vaccination between an adenovirus and a mRNA version leads to better immunity than just one kind alone.

    I’m honestly baffled at how far behind the EU and Israel the U.S. is with some of this stuff and why we’re not relying on their knowledge and information. It’s not like Germany and Israel aren’t scientifically sophisticated countries.

    #1097540 Reply
    Kate
    Keymaster

    @BGM, the cdc doesn’t even track breakthrough infections, so they’re not necessarily lying there.

    The NYT article says it’s one in 5K *per day,* which maybe makes more sense.

    It is possible I know more ppl who had a breakthrough but didn’t talk about it.

    #1097542 Reply
    ron
    Guest

    It’s in NYT for what that’s worth…

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/briefing/risk-breakthrough-infections-delta.amp.html

    But… they say the odds of getting a breakthrough infection now are one in 5000 PER DAY. So… one in fifteen people will have a breakthrough infection over the course of a year, based on current protection. But… they are simultaneously suggesting that protection starts to wane after 6 months, meaning that 1 in 15 per year infection rate will rise over time, absent a booster shot. And… that 1 in 15 is an average of those who remain cautious (mask and socially distance) despite being vaccinated and those who threw caution to the wind after getting their second jab. For the incautious, the annual reinfection rate could easily be 1 in 10 or possibly even 1 in 5, especially if they are going the entire year without a booster shot. So far from bullet proof and still scary.

    #1097543 Reply
    Kate
    Keymaster

    Yeah… I clarified that up above.

    I’m not sold that immunity starts to wane after 6 months (though I’m not a scientist and neither are most people here)… Seems that was based on Israel, and there were big socioeconomic differences between those who got vaccinated earlier vs later. In other words, no control group. I’ll for sure get whatever shot is recommended, but I’m not convinced boosters are needed at this point unless you’re very vulnerable.

    #1097545 Reply
    Kate
    Keymaster

    And I mean, I think “waning immunity” has had a lot to do with Delta, so I’d appreciate a booster that’s customized for that.

    #1097546 Reply
    MaterialsGirl
    Participant

    We’ve had a decent amount of breakthrough cases here at work. WE are under the Biden mandate, so waiting on OSHA to tell us what that all entails, who pays for the testing etc. There are three on my team who are unvaccinated, two of which will definitely not get the vaccine and one who probably will out of inconvenience of testing.

    Had my dad send some ridiculous Bannon shit on that alt-right youtube forum about how they’re mandating a vaccine for an extinct virus. super super eyeroll.

    #1097547 Reply
    Bittergaymark
    Guest

    Okay. Great!! So I guess I — somehow — just happen to know nearly twenty people who all — somehow — tragically bucked the odds 5000 to 1 odds and now are suffering from breakthrough infections? Um… Okay. Sure. Whatever. Yeah… that makes sense.

    #1097549 Reply
    Bittergaymark
    Guest

    PS — Hah. The news that the CDC isn’t even bothering to track breakthrough infections is darkly hilarious. Do they ever fucking actually do anything? Asking for a friend.

    #1097550 Reply
    Kate
    Keymaster

    They are really dropping the ball and causing everyone to look elsewhere for info.

    #1097551 Reply
    LisforLeslie
    Guest

    I’m going to go back and see if those numbers are for hospitalized patients or patients reporting infection overall. I think the numbers are overall, but I want to confirm.

    As for Sinovac, it’s a good question and I have no idea. I don’t even know who in government would make that decision.

    #1097552 Reply
    Fyodor
    Guest

    I mean if you are referring to “cases” in terms of publicly recorded positive tests it’s about 150k a day or one in 2300 people. So 1/5000 doesn’t sound like it’s crazy far off for vaccinated people. Now we don’t know how many infections there are per case.

    #1097554 Reply
    Bittergaymark
    Guest

    Considering the sheer number of them people on here personally know of it seems very unlikely.

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