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September 13, 2021 at 12:50 pm #1097538Miss MJGuest
Honestly, at this point, the CDC should just acknowledge that (1) we’re all going to get covid at some point and the vaccine helps prevent you from dying; (2) immunity wanes and we’re all going to need boosters unless and until they develop a longer-lasting shot; and (3) people who got J&J need to get an mRNA vaccine and, likely, vice versa, since studies out of Europe show that cross vaccination between an adenovirus and a mRNA version leads to better immunity than just one kind alone.
I’m honestly baffled at how far behind the EU and Israel the U.S. is with some of this stuff and why we’re not relying on their knowledge and information. It’s not like Germany and Israel aren’t scientifically sophisticated countries.September 13, 2021 at 1:01 pm #1097540
@BGM, the cdc doesn’t even track breakthrough infections, so they’re not necessarily lying there.
The NYT article says it’s one in 5K *per day,* which maybe makes more sense.
It is possible I know more ppl who had a breakthrough but didn’t talk about it.September 13, 2021 at 1:10 pm #1097542ronGuest
It’s in NYT for what that’s worth…
But… they say the odds of getting a breakthrough infection now are one in 5000 PER DAY. So… one in fifteen people will have a breakthrough infection over the course of a year, based on current protection. But… they are simultaneously suggesting that protection starts to wane after 6 months, meaning that 1 in 15 per year infection rate will rise over time, absent a booster shot. And… that 1 in 15 is an average of those who remain cautious (mask and socially distance) despite being vaccinated and those who threw caution to the wind after getting their second jab. For the incautious, the annual reinfection rate could easily be 1 in 10 or possibly even 1 in 5, especially if they are going the entire year without a booster shot. So far from bullet proof and still scary.September 13, 2021 at 1:14 pm #1097543
Yeah… I clarified that up above.
I’m not sold that immunity starts to wane after 6 months (though I’m not a scientist and neither are most people here)… Seems that was based on Israel, and there were big socioeconomic differences between those who got vaccinated earlier vs later. In other words, no control group. I’ll for sure get whatever shot is recommended, but I’m not convinced boosters are needed at this point unless you’re very vulnerable.September 13, 2021 at 1:23 pm #1097545
And I mean, I think “waning immunity” has had a lot to do with Delta, so I’d appreciate a booster that’s customized for that.September 13, 2021 at 1:26 pm #1097546MaterialsGirlParticipant
We’ve had a decent amount of breakthrough cases here at work. WE are under the Biden mandate, so waiting on OSHA to tell us what that all entails, who pays for the testing etc. There are three on my team who are unvaccinated, two of which will definitely not get the vaccine and one who probably will out of inconvenience of testing.
Had my dad send some ridiculous Bannon shit on that alt-right youtube forum about how they’re mandating a vaccine for an extinct virus. super super eyeroll.September 13, 2021 at 1:29 pm #1097547BittergaymarkGuest
Okay. Great!! So I guess I — somehow — just happen to know nearly twenty people who all — somehow — tragically bucked the odds 5000 to 1 odds and now are suffering from breakthrough infections? Um… Okay. Sure. Whatever. Yeah… that makes sense.September 13, 2021 at 1:50 pm #1097549BittergaymarkGuest
PS — Hah. The news that the CDC isn’t even bothering to track breakthrough infections is darkly hilarious. Do they ever fucking actually do anything? Asking for a friend.September 13, 2021 at 1:52 pm #1097550
They are really dropping the ball and causing everyone to look elsewhere for info.September 13, 2021 at 1:54 pm #1097551LisforLeslieGuest
I’m going to go back and see if those numbers are for hospitalized patients or patients reporting infection overall. I think the numbers are overall, but I want to confirm.
As for Sinovac, it’s a good question and I have no idea. I don’t even know who in government would make that decision.September 13, 2021 at 1:54 pm #1097552FyodorGuest
I mean if you are referring to “cases” in terms of publicly recorded positive tests it’s about 150k a day or one in 2300 people. So 1/5000 doesn’t sound like it’s crazy far off for vaccinated people. Now we don’t know how many infections there are per case.September 13, 2021 at 2:12 pm #1097554BittergaymarkGuest
Considering the sheer number of them people on here personally know of it seems very unlikely.