September 13, 2021 at 2:50 pm #1097555CopaParticipant
My understanding is that the CDC was tracking breakthrough cases until last spring and at that point, only started tracking breakthrough cases that led to hospitalization. So any time I’ve read that breakthrough cases are rare based on CDC data, I’ve understood this to mean that breakthrough cases that lead to hospitalizations are rare. That I do believe to be true.
My cousin is an example of someone who would not have known that she was exposed to/contracted COVID but for the fact that she lives in the Bay Area, where they have some kind of opt-in reporting/tracking system that will notify you if someone in your vicinity self-reported a confirmed case. She opted in and received a notification. That’s the only reason she knew to get tested. I have no doubts that there are plenty of asymptomatic breakthrough cases out there as well as people with very mild symptoms that don’t bother to test for it.September 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm #1097557KateKeymaster
Yeah, CDC tracks hospitalizations and deaths, but lots of states track positive cases. So we have data on both.
I believe the vaccine is effective, meaning it’s extremely rare for a vaccinated person who’s not otherwise vulnerable to get severely ill, and I think if everyone got vaccinated we would not have these dangerous mutations. They obviously started in unvaccinated people, every single variant. I do think these new mandates are going to be effective. At the end of the day, most people live paycheck to paycheck and aren’t going to quit their jobs if they know most companies are going to mandate vaccines or testing. This should help protect kids too.September 13, 2021 at 5:01 pm #1097559Miss MJGuest
@Kate, as frustrated as I am right now, I also see things getting better soon.
I, too, think the mandates will work. The majority of people aren’t going to quit over it when (1) they can’t get unemployment if they quit and (2) every other employer will require the vaccine, too. Unlike bitching and spreading bullshit conspiracy theories on Facebook, they just can’t afford to take that hard of a real-life stand on this one.
I’m also encouraged by the fact that in Britain and India, delta cases peaked and then plummeted fairly sharply. We’re starting to see a gradual slowdown in hospitalizations in several (southern) states around me. Perhaps that is the beginning of a drop off in cases.
Finally, with Pfizer likely being available to kids 5-11 in the coming weeks, that should offer up more protection against delta and other variants.
I’m glad Biden finally told the anti-vaxx crowd enough is enough. Wish he’d go ahead and issue a vaccine mandate to fly or uses interstate train transport, as well.September 13, 2021 at 6:36 pm #1097560FyodorGuest
The UK cases didn’t plummet. They dipped very temporarily and then as soon as people relaxed a little, they bounced back up. They’re almost at peak again.September 13, 2021 at 6:40 pm #1097561FyodorGuest
As for vaccination of 5-11s it will be good for those of us who trust the vaccine and are eager to protect our kids but I doubt that the uptake will be very good. Vaccination rates among 12-17 year olds are pretty low and people are even more cautious with their younger kids.September 13, 2021 at 6:51 pm #1097564VathenaGuest
Our mayor (Alexandria, VA) posted a graphic on Facebook yesterday with a breakdown of our case numbers/vax numbers by age group. Over 93% of 12-18 year olds in Alexandria have had at least one dose! So that gives me a lot of hope that our community will be quick to get our younger kids vaccinated, too. I agree that it seems inevitable that we will all get this virus at some point. I just need it to not happen until after my kid is vaxxed. (Kiddo tested positive on a rapid test last September, but I am still a little skeptical of that result, because she spent a night coughing on my face and neither my husband or I ever got symptoms, and we had 5 negative PCR tests between us. In any case, even if she did have it, I’m sure it’s possible she could get it again!)September 14, 2021 at 6:48 am #1097572LisforLeslieGuest
@Fyodor – I think the numbers for kids will be similar to parents. So north eastern states will have higher numbers than Georgia or Florida and some cities will have higher rates – aka Alexandria versus further south in the state.
.September 14, 2021 at 7:23 am #1097573ktfranParticipant
My 16 yo niece’s BFF got the vaccine despite her parents being anti-vax. I was impressed w/ that.September 14, 2021 at 8:38 am #1097581FyodorGuest
I think that it will correlate somewhat but generally 12-15 rates are significantly lower nationally than rates among older people so there’s a sizable percentage of people who are getting vaccinated but not getting their kids vaccinated. And honestly it makes logical sense that with kids having lower risk of serious illness that people who are more ambivalent about the vaccine might vaccinate themselves but wait and see on their kids (though I obviously disagree).
You can see the data here, though the visualization is crappy.September 14, 2021 at 10:35 am #1097601ktfranParticipant
I’m not sure age is a good indicator for vaccine hesitancy and for the reasons you stated @fyodor. It was really hard to get vaccines to economically disadvantaged people. A lot of education had to go into it, especially for POC who already distrust the medical system. Taking the time to actually get a shot or two was really difficult for people without access to transportation or who had a hard time taking off work. I imagine a lot of the younger people not getting the vaccine fall into the economically disadvantaged category. I would truly be surprised if people who are for the vaccine would hesitate in getting their children vaccinated. I’d love to see data on that.
After the initial push to get the vaccine to everyone, and there was a lot on getting it to the economically disadvantaged, I haven’t seen that same push for their children. It was also easier to get a lot of these people the J&J. One shot and their done. All of the negative news surrounding that vaccine hurt the efforts.September 14, 2021 at 10:41 am #1097603BittergaymarkGuest
I fear things will only get much, much worse. I hope I am wrong, though. I really, really do.September 14, 2021 at 11:45 am #1097617LisforLeslieGuest
@BGM – I think you’re right. The stories I read daily of people who refuse to protect themselves and are now gargling with betadine – we’ve gone off the deep end but there’s still a few deeper trenches ahead.
That’s right folks, people are adding a couple of drops of betadine to their mouthwash (they recommend original Listerine) as a way to combat COVID germs. Because obviously as mouth breathers, that’s the only way in and out.
And in Mississippi the state medical board just announced that they will suspend or revoke a doctor’s license if the doctor promotes false nonsense about COVID. MISSISSIPPI is done with your shit.