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March 1, 2018 at 8:54 am #741259KateKeymaster
Look, I don’t think it’s inherentlu wrong to own a gun and keep it properly secured, unloaded, with the ammo properly secured somewhere else, particularly if you grew up with guns, it’s your culture, you use the gun for target practice, whatever. But that is completely different from a guy who never owned a gun and only occasionally shot one (fuck, even I’ve shot guns a bunch of times and got the safety certificate so I could have gotten a license, but I still have no business handling one), and now suddenly wants to concealed-carry a loaded weapon whenever he’s out in public with his family because he’s scared. And has a toddler boy and maybe other kids on the way. This situation is pretty fucked and I see no relation to traditional gun-owning families like the ones mentioned in this thread.March 1, 2018 at 10:01 am #741262FyodorGuest
Yeah, I’m kind of with Kate on this one. There’s a big difference between families that own guns and hunt and follow safety procedures and carrying a gun on your person all the time because you want to be ready to dispatch lethal threats. The latter has never really been part of American gun culture before the last 20-30 years – there has never been a historical period, even the old west where everyone walked around their communities fully armed so they could kill a bad guy. I have known people who lived or worked in particularly dangerous areas that have done it, but those are people with very specific and concrete concerns.March 1, 2018 at 10:26 am #741265LisforLeslieGuest
Yup I am responding specifically to this OP and the situation she outlined. In this case, the data doesn’t back up the fear (gun fight!) instead it makes a clear case to NOT have a gun.March 1, 2018 at 10:34 am #741268ktfranParticipant
That’s why I said that this LW’s husband shouldn’t get one! Well, I said I wasn’t advocating for it. I apologize for not being more specific and say “LW, I don’t think your SO should get a gun because he sounds paranoid!”
I actually don’t think most people need guns for safety reasons. In fact, I roll my eyes at my cousin’s chauvinist husband because he owns guns for “safety.”
I liked what Miss MJ had to say about respecting guns and wanted to piggyback on that and share my experience with gun ownership and that exact topic.March 1, 2018 at 10:40 am #741269KateKeymaster
I’m not picking on anyone, more just reacting to the idea of tabling this for when the child is older and can understand the gravity of guns. I don’t know that that’s applicable here, with this guy and his motivations, and still doesn’t address the issue that he wants to keep the gun loaded and with him, and presumably in his nightstand in case of burglary. A troubled older kid could get his hands on that gun, as could a naive toddler.March 1, 2018 at 10:45 am #741273ktfranParticipant
Understood @kate. Thanks for your last comment
In regard to troubled kids, I would hope that if his or her parents owned a gun, they would remove it from the house if they knew the kid was troubled… but I totally understand that’s not the case and shame on the parents. People are idiots a lot of the time. I definitely wouldn’t want a gun in a house with a child who is troubled or exhibits troubling behavior.March 1, 2018 at 3:22 pm #741319SarahGuest
I’m sure almost everyone intends to be safe when they buy guns. But kids can be sneaky and smart.
Even thought we have the Second Amendment guaranteeing the right to bear arms, I think at some point, America just has to say that that isn’t working, and is doing more harm than good. The Constitution isn’t done magical, God-given document. It is man-made by HUMANS and they are fallible/imperfect by definition. Too many innocent people have died. Enough is enough.March 1, 2018 at 6:57 pm #741355JimmyjamGuest
No military/ armed forces training, no police or tactical training. I suggest you invest in some kevlar for the family.
It sounds like your husband wants to dig in and fight.
It’s like waking into an operating room and telling the doctor movie aside you can do a heart transplant cuz you had first aid training as a member of the local scout troop.March 1, 2018 at 7:01 pm #741356JimmyjamGuest
The second amendment does not give you the right to bear arms. Read the whole 2nd amendment. If you are part of a militia it does.
People please read the 2nd amendment in total. I feel like I am caught up in an episode of Archie Bunker and All in the FamilyMarch 1, 2018 at 8:37 pm #741360PortiaParticipant
The current idea about the second amendment is a fairly recent phenomena. I highly recommend listening to More Perfect’s episode about the history of the NRA and gun rights called “The Gun Show”: https://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/audio.wnyc.org/moreperfect/moreperfect101217_thegunshow.mp3.
Also people seem to forget that the Constitution was really version 2 and it has been added to or changed 27 times.March 1, 2018 at 8:39 pm #741362keybladeMemberMarch 2, 2018 at 1:31 am #741367SarahGuest
I sense an air of superiority from you for knowing better than others about the Second Amendment. (I really hope I’m misinterpreting and you don’t think yourself superior :).) What makes you think we haven’t read it in its entirety?? What matters isn’t how it reads but how people read it– which are two very different things. It is widely interpreted to mean that the general public, the average Joe shmoe has the right to own a gun.