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So When IS the "right time" to discuss gun control?

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    Sarah

    We need to get real, people. We have just as much chance of eradicating mental health issues as we do of eradicating high blood pressure or diabetes or females.

    Also why do they keep saying we need to focus on mental health but then are cutting health care funding??

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    LisforLeslie

    It’s a dodge. I asked a friend of mine in law enforcement why we couldn’t do a better job of registering guns and then when someone shows signs of mental distress, go and rescind permits and remove guns from their home(s). She hemmed and hawed and just said “mental health!” over an over again. I love her but sometimes she just lives in a little bubble. What I got out of that conversation was that they (LOEs) seem to want is an easier way to lock people up – not take away their weapons.

    I gave her the example of a woman who shot her two teen daughters in their yard. The woman had exhibited all of the signs of a mental breakdown and was going through a painful divorce. Had her guns been taken away, her daughters might be alive today.

    This guy was in a mental hospital, he had a domestic violence charge. In this case all of the pieces were there, but no one put them together. The link between domestic violence and gun violence is established. The law is on the books. The Air Force truly fucked up by not doing what they were supposed to do. And Trump rescinded the law that prevented people with mental health diagnoses from purchasing guns.

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    Copa
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    Yeah. There’s so much deflection — “we need to focus on mental health!” “now is not the time to talk about guns, now is the time to let families grieve” — it’s exhausting. (I mean, yes, I do think we need to talk about mental health, but we also desperately need to address gun control.)

    I commute to/from work and around the city on public transit. Last night, my train stopped for close to an hour halfway pulled into my station. Someone had called the cops to report a suspicious-acting person wielding a gun on the train. I didn’t know this at the time — my cell reception was spotty and I couldn’t find updates that said more than “significant delays due to police activity.” Other trains were not allowed to stop and kept speeding past mine. One woman inside my car, who had a good view of the platform, started FREAKING OUT, announcing loudly that the police were looking for explosives. I had no way of knowing what was actually going on. Honestly, when the realization hit that I could be one of the next victims taken out by an assault rifle or blown up, I was scared.

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    Bittergaymark

    This infuriates me. Or it used to… Look, if we actually STILL had a gap of several months between shootings, sure, lets wait a week or so, I guess. But HELLO!!! People get shot dead en mass every few days now.
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    That said — America will NEVER wake up. No way. No day.
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    Why? Well… it is now abundantly clear to me that I was right all along. All those years, I thought I was overly cynical? Hah! Hell, no, I was right! Accept it, Americans, by in large, are an incredibly dimwitted bunch. We are a nation of idiots, let by idiots. And it only starts with Trump. Right and Left — EVERYBODY has let us down on this issue and will only continue to do so.
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    Fuck it. Oh, well.

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    TheRascal
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    The rhetoric surrounding gun violence shifts depending on the perpetrator, which further demonstrates how systemically, this country does not care about minorities. When it’s a white male, gun violence is a “mental health issue.” So of course, that’s what our presidents says. But when it’s a black male, the perpetrators are thugs, degenerates, ripping apart the fabric of society. Why doesn’t our president care about gun violence in our cities — instead, he’s proposed nationwide stop-and-frisk to quell inner city gun violence. Why not a call for mental health resource in our inner cities instead?

    The US has seriously, consistently failed its citizens time and time again.

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    LisforLeslie

    Nothing changed after Sandy Hook. That says it all right there.

    The only way this will change is if we change election funding laws and the NRA loses ownership of lawmakers.

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    Sarah

    The problem is that the NRA/Trump/etc are hoping that conflating the two issues– gun control and mental health issues– will distract the rest of us so we stop talking about guns.

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    Scattol

    The problem isn’t gun control. The problem is America’s infatuation with gun violence. That’s the cultural bias towards gun violence that is the problem.

    Mental health are everywhere on the planet. Only in America does it turn in mass shooting on an industrial scale.

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    Sarah

    Now is it time to talk about gun control???

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    Kate
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    It’s always the right time, as those kids who lived through the Florida shooting so eloquently informed that evil witch Tomi Lahren.

    But listen, it’s not actually true that nothing happened after Sandy Hook. At a state level, CT passed some laws that help keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people. Because they fucking get it, that it IS a gun problem, not a mental health problem. Someone on CNN was saying that there’s a school stabbing problem happening in Russia. There are angry, depressed, fucked-up young men there too, obviously, as there are everywhere. But NOBODY HAS DIED, because these Russian kids aren’t getting their hands on GUNS. Guns are the fucking problem. We can pass laws that help keep them out of the hands of sick people, while still enabling the rest of these idiots to uphold their second amendment rights. But at a national level, I’m not sure this will ever get fixed.

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    Kate
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    PS, if you’re keeping guns in your house and you have kids, you’re a fucking idiot and you’re resoobsible for your own potential death and any other people your kid kills.

    Adam Lanza, who killed those 20 FIRST GRADERS at Sandy Hook, his idiot Mom was a gun enthusiast who kept a few different weapons in the house. That’s where he got them. He didn’t buy them like this kid in Florida. So he took her guns, and she was the first person he killed.

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    LisforLeslie

    It is definitely a gun problem. But I also think Michael Ian Black said it very well this week – this is a toxic masculinity problem. This is men being told that their worth is tied to their masculinity and masculinity doesn’t allow men to express their feelings and it doesn’t help them understand how to deal with setbacks and failures in constructive ways. Masculinity that hasn’t changed it’s model of success even though everything around it is changing.

    And so the disappointment and the rage and the frustration combined with unbelievably easy access to guns equals mass shootings on an increasingly frequent basis.

    I don’t know if it’s right. Still, I know that if we made guns harder to access, a lot more people would be safe.

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