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So When IS the "right time" to discuss gun control?

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    Kate
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    No, that’s true, it is, and it’s also a bullying problem. A lot of these guys are small, learning disabled, on the spectrum, etc, and get mercilessly bullied. My brother was one of those kids. Other kids were breathtakingly cruel to him because he had developmental disabilities, was tiny, and would act out. There’s some responsibility there on parents’ and schools’ part to stop the bullying.

    But… my brother had no way to get his hands on a gun. If he had, I suspect he may have been tempted to bring it to school. All those kids who beat him up and tormented him – and all the kids who didn’t but could have been caught in the crossfire anyway – are safe because he and kids like him DIDNT have access to guns.

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    Adam Lanza, who killed those 20 FIRST GRADERS at Sandy Hook, his idiot Mom was a gun enthusiast who kept a few different weapons in the house. That’s where he got them. He didn’t buy them like this kid in Florida. So he took her guns, and she was the first person he killed.

    Sadly, his mother thought that having her guns locked in a gun cabinet was going to keep him from having access. Uh no, he stole the key and got the guns and killed her.
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    And this is just me but I’ve always suspected that his mother abused him. It wasn’t ever said but damn, do you know what it takes to kill your own mother in cold blood? Like most people can’t even imagine doing something like that. Also, the ex-husband and brother never showed any sadness or remorse when they talked about her death. Something about the whole family dynamic never felt right to me. Everyone talked about his mental illness but I think there were other things going on in that house.

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    TheHizzy

    Gun control laws keep guns out of law abiding citizens. It won’t prevent criminals from getting them. This issue is much bigger than mental health/gun control/gun education. There’s no one real solution.

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    Kate
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    His mom may have abused him, yeah… he also may have had some kind of autism that made it difficult or impossible to have emotional connections with people. I don’t think every teen that kills their parents was abused.

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    TheRascal

    TheHizzy — all due respect as I know that you are a regular poster…

    But that sort of attitude is part of the problem. You are categorically dismissing possible solutions — solutions that WORK IN OTHER COUNTRIES — and offering nothing else. There is a reason why the United States has TWENTY FIVE MORE TIMES gun death rates than other developed nations.

    Here are some stats to consider: https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

    Sensible gun laws are needed. Our politicians need to get out of bed with NRA.

    And there are TOO MANY DAMN GUNS in our country.

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    Vathena

    “Gun control laws keep guns out of law abiding citizens. It won’t prevent criminals from getting them.” <– by this reasoning, literally everything should be legal. People are going to do it anyway! Let’s make it easy and totally legal!

    There is no earthly reason why any civilian needs to be able to shoot 40+ bullets per minute.

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    LisforLeslie

    @kate exactly. Without guns in the home it’s much harder for kids to access guns. Kids are a lot more observant and a lot craftier than parents give them credit for. And parents and other “responsible” gun owners are a lot more lax and irresponsible than they admit. What about that mom who had her loaded gun in her purse and her toddler/pre-schooler pulled the gun out while she was driving and shot her in the back.

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    Kate
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    Yeah and in September in FLORIDA, a 4 year old girl found a gun in grandma’s purse and shot herself in the chest and died.

    Even if you keep your guns locked up, if a kid wants to get at them, i think he’s going to figure out how. Kids can hack all your electronics, steal money from you, sneak out of the house, etc etc etc, but you think they can’t get at your guns??

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    LisforLeslie

    @vathena – totally agree. Guns kill people painfully and violently. All those “right to lifers” who talk about the sanctity of life but did nothing after 20 innocent 6 year olds were gunned down and refuse to support gun control are flaming hypocrites. Not only that but all this talk about mental health and school security – where is that money coming from? There’s certainly no money in the budget to improve access to mental health services or improve school security (which really just means putting metal detectors at the doors).

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    Skyblossom
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    “Gun control laws keep guns out of law abiding citizens.”

    That’s the equivalent of saying that requiring a driver’s license will keep law abiding citizens from driving. I think it is good that everyone has to go in and renew their driver’s license and pass a vision exam every four years. So some people drive without a license but most people manage to learn to drive and pass the driving exam and do it the legal way.

    I think the same should happen with guns. People should have to pass both a written exam and a shooting test to get licensed. And just like with motor vehicles, different types of firearms would require different licensing. A bus driver or a truck driver needs more than a basic driver’s license. We should have licensing for handguns and other licensing for rifles and shotguns and no one needs an assault weapon. Training for a handgun should include passing a shooting exam where images of people popup and move around to see if you can pick out the real target without shooting up all sorts of innocent bystanders. The same for a hunting license. You need to prove that you won’t shoot at anything that moves. That you will sight carefully and be able to identify your target before pulling the trigger.

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    Skyblossom
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    The talk about mental health care and school security is just hype to distract people from guns. The same people who are talking about mental health care and school security are the people slashing the budgets for health care and schools. If a school hires a security guard that would mean hiring one less teacher and if it seems you are safe why wouldn’t you spend the money on the teacher. If a school has a school resource officer (police officer based in the school) the local community has to be willing to pay for that officer or to have one less officer on the street. All of these things cost money and the people who talk about them aren’t willing to spend the money.

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    TheHizzy

    I’m not meaning to sound as if I’m dismissing solutions. I’m just saying that gun control laws won’t resolve all gun related violence. There’s so much more to the problem than just that.

    Our country as a whole needs to review how they view the “Right to Bear Arms” clause and what its initial intent was for. Education for the young kids to understand more of what it means when you shoot someone. Teaching coping mechanisms for anger, and teaching people to not bully. I view it more as a society issue than a regulation issue in the bigger picture. Until those things change we will struggle to adopt other countries views on gun ownership.

    That said – Yes, regulate the automatic rifles, no need to shoot an anything 40 times with one short trigger pull.

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