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So When IS the "right time" to discuss gun control?

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    bittergaymark
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    It was after Columbine.
    It was after Sandyhook.
    It was after Denver.
    It was after Virginia Tech.
    It was after Vegas.
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    Instead, its all the vapid nonsense of useless thoughts and prayers.
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    Funny, I have some thoughts and prayers as well. Mine are that the NEXT mass execution targets…

    not a high school
    nor a college
    or a elementary school
    not a movie theatre
    not a music festival…

    I pray the next instead targets those that routinely demand we have guns guns guns everywhere.
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    They do it for blood money from the NRA. Blood money — and since they have no problem whatsoever with this blood… let it literally be on their hands. Better yet — let it literally be theirs as they slowly bleed out.
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    That’s my thoughts. That’s my prayers. Too bad we know all too well thoughts and prayers have no impact whatsoever.

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    Kate
    Keymaster

    But I mean we already had a guy shoot Republicans congressmen at softball practice and none of them gave a shit.

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    bittergaymark
    Bittergaymark

    Then at least we’d be rid of them.

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    K

    The “criminals still will find a way to get guns” argument is so old. Maybe they will, but FEWER criminals will find a way to get guns if rules are stricter. It will still help. And if someone is a true law-abiding gunholder, they should be willing to undergo restrictions, background checks, long wait periods before registration, etc. in order to stop further massacres from happening.

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    dinoceros
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    The “criminals” are often not criminals before the shoot up a place. Obviously, there are many varieties of gun violence here, but the school shooting variety tends to often be disgruntled and disturbed teenage boys. Not necessarily the type who are hanging out buying stuff on the black market. When it comes to the gun control argument, people seem to think that everyone who kills themselves or others with a gun is this seasoned criminal who has all the knowledge, means, and drive to search for a gun on the black market. Also, similar to how people say a lot of cruel things on the internet they wouldn’t say in person, there are people who are tough enough to shoot people from across a room who are not tough enough to run up to someone with a knife or whatever other weapon (or even a gun that requires more aim than an automatic or semiautomatic weapon).

    It’s also completely silly to dismiss an idea that would at least help some because it doesn’t completely solve the problem. Nobody uses that logic on any other problem.

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    Vathena

    My 4-year-old daughter’s daycare is right by that baseball field, and they take the kids out to play there when the weather is nice. The day before the shooting, they were riding their tricycles around on the basketball court behind the first-base dugout. The shooter was living out of his van on that street for like a month before the shooting. I am 100% sure that he saw the kids out playing. I am still frightened to the depths of my soul knowing that he could have decided to start shooting at my baby.

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    Kate
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    Wow, so, not only was his YouTube video reported to the FBI last year, but on January 5th of this year, someone close to Cruz called the FBI to tell them about his gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior, and social media posts, as well as the potential of him doing a school shooting. And they failed to follow up on it.

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    Well, if the FBI failed to act when given specific information about the 9/11 attackers, there’s probably not much hope for any thing else. The FBI had multiple reports that the hijackers only wanted to learn specific flying techniques (crash landings or something like that) that didn’t feel right to the flight instructors.

    @kate, I don’t think all abused children are capable of killing their parents. In fact, many aren’t. I just don’t think it was all mental illness, I think there was abuse mixed in there. Something about the mom always felt Jerry Sandusky-ish to me (not sexual abuse. But heinously abusing children in privacy while pretending to the rest of the world that she was a wonderful caring person).

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    Leah

    Completely agree with @Cleopatra Jones. People who commit these atrocities don’t usually come from especially supportive and stable homes. And I don’t believe for a second when parents and siblings say things like “I didn’t know he had so many issues that he would do something like this”. Of course they know.

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    Kate
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    Yeah, I think she’s probably right, but again, I think someone can kill their parents just because they’re really disturbed or a sociopath, without there having to be any abuse by the parents.

    I’m with you on parents being in denial. Whenever I tried to tell my parents I was worried my brother would do this or that, it’s like they had a major blind spot.

    But on the other hand, Cruz’s adopted Mom called the cops a bunch of times on the two boys, him and his brother, because they were threatening or attacking her.

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    dinoceros
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    I think that many of them come from troubled families, but agree that it’s not all of them. That sort of implies that there is always a rational reason (not that murder is necessarily rational, but that there is a specific cause and effect). There are people who have mental illnesses that cause them to have no empathy and to react with extreme violence/rage — a person like that may go into a rage against their parents and not have the empathy that tells them that they can’t kill their parents. Similarly, they may have severe delusions that tell them their parent is out to get them or an alien or whatever.

    I do agree that denial is a big thing. They think their kid is troubled, but couldn’t hurt anyone. Or whatever. But I have known parents who had a super unstable kid who they’ve taken to many doctors, called the cops on, etc., and gotten no answers or help.

    I’m all for acknowledging when a person’s history of abuse has affected their life, but I don’t want to be in a position to assume every parent who is killed by their kid is to blame or is a bad person.

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    Skyblossom
    Skyblossom
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    I like this oped from Montel Williams and the interview. If they form the National Safe Guns Association I will join immediately. It is past the time for us to actively do something for our kids.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqT4YT53SLA&feature=youtu.be

    https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/if-you-d-do-anything-help-kids-parkland-then-why-ncna848656

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