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  • LisforLeslie
    August 4, 2023 at 8:31 am #1124216

    Years ago we had a thread devoted to watching the Trump impeachments all of which ended in disbelief, disappointment and a lot of head shaking. Now with the latest indictment… things are looking… interesting? Hopeful? Ridiculous and farcical?

    I started reading the actual indictment. It lays out the case point by point by point. This has nothing to do with free speech. Nothing. The only “free speech” component is that he repeatedly said there was voter fraud in public knowing that was a lie. But the indictment is focused on specific actions to overturn the election results using unbelievably illegal means. If you watched the Jan 6 hearings – you will see almost nothing new. But Smith lays out the specific illegal actions under which he is charging that orange hued moron.

    I hope the trial is televised. It needs to be televised.

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    Jean
    August 4, 2023 at 12:41 pm #1124224

    I DO NOT EVEN TAKE THE TIME TO FOLLOW THIS CHARADE (The news reel on Trump). It is an insult to the intelligence of a primary school kid. Narcissism is a incurable state of mind, as this dis-ease is supposed to lodge itself somewhere. Thank you for reading my comment.

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    Miss MJ
    August 4, 2023 at 1:36 pm #1124226

    I’m a lawyer, though not a criminal defense one or prosecutor, and my take is that Trump looks like he is in A LOT of trouble. Jack Smith is not playing around and he’s got both the facts and the law on his side. All Trump’s got is hysterical screaming. Unfortunately for us all, his hysterical screaming seems to influence at least 1/3 of this country, so who really knows what a jury will do? I’m growing optimistic, though.

    I wish the would televise the trial but that’s not generally done in federal court. We all do need to see the evidence laid out, though. Especially the afore-mentioned intractable 1/3.

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    August 4, 2023 at 2:49 pm #1124231

    I generally avoid all Trump news in protest of his existence, but the little bit I’m hearing is sounding optimistic. I hate to get my hopes up though.

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    LisforLeslie
    August 7, 2023 at 6:05 am #1124262

    @MissMJ – valid point. For the most rabid, they’ve said that they don’t give a flying fuck if he commits any crime, they’d still support him – which is why I think Republicans realize they created a monster. However, I’m reading that support is slowly chipping away but often it seems like it’s coming from people who already got what they wanted from this relationship (Evangelicals), people who realize they got taken (buyer of Trump-bucks anyone?, and people who have nothing left to lose (Cheney, Walsh, now maybe the wishy-washiest VP Pence).

    It’s obvious that Smith is playing the long game here – I’m curious to see who from the co-conspirator’s list is the first to turn. I’m hoping that he goes after any congress person who was part of this plot… looking at you Cruz.

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    LisforLeslie
    August 15, 2023 at 10:48 am #1124832

    The Georgia indictment is in. I’ve read parts of it. Willis is not fucking around. I’m curious to see if other states like Arizona or Wisconsin or Michigan use it as a playbook to issue their own indictments for the false elector approach.

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    August 15, 2023 at 12:15 pm #1124834

    🍿🍿🍿🍿

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    August 15, 2023 at 3:12 pm #1124843

    Some fun facts I learned about Georgia

    1) Governors can’t issue pardons in Georgia. There is a board of 5 members that is appointed by the governor that can issue pardons.
    2) That board can only do so after 5 years have been served.

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    Miss MJ
    August 17, 2023 at 3:59 pm #1124928

    Well, now, those are some interesting fun facts about the Georgia pardon system.

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    LisforLeslie
    August 25, 2023 at 5:26 am #1125071

    An interesting analysis of Mark Meadow’s attempt to move the case to federal court :
    A summary
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/8/24/2189346/-Fani-is-Playing-Chess-to-Mark-Meadows-Tiddlywinks-Uses-the-Hatch-Act-as-Part-of-a-Forked-Attack
    the whole analysis
    https://statuskuo.substack.com/p/fani-willis-lays-a-trap-for-mark?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&fbclid=IwAR0q6CASoIY2LJH7W7p6ONLN-lC6LKPxyrurSukQBi_kkNeqK6Kk_sBBXoM

    To sum up – Meadows is not as smart as he thinks he is and Willis basically called out that he admitted he was acting illegally. If he was acting as Chief of Staff, then he was breaking the law that prevents people from using their position to influence election (e.g. trying to get governors to do things) or if he was not acting as CoS then his crimes as a private citizen properly belong to the state charging him – not the Federal courts.

    And since it’s widely believed that Meadows has been spilling the beans … I’m curious to see how this plays out. I’m also wondering when some of these people are going to start falling out of windows or planes – Putin-style.

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    August 25, 2023 at 9:32 am #1125078

    The mug shot was released while I was with my book club last night and we all had a good laugh.

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    August 25, 2023 at 12:29 pm #1125079

    Its only just dawning on us in the UK that this apology for a human being might actually gain some power again. Please, please, send him to jail.I don’t do thoughts and prayers but I’ll make an exception in this case as I have no other power.He can’t get in again, can he?

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