I used my older sibling’s test to study and now my friends are calling me a chea

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  • I need help
    December 26, 2018 at 2:10 pm #813217

    What in particular would you recommend I say?

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    Ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 2:13 pm #813218

    Girl – you’ve been given multiple scripts to use. Go back and read the thread. Basically you just need to state the facts.

    It seems you don’t want to and won’t go forward.

    But at the bare minimum stop cheating and get rid of your brother’s old tests.

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    December 26, 2018 at 2:14 pm #813219

    Omg. Can you do anything yourself? I just told you. Tell them, in your own words, what happened.

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    Ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 2:22 pm #813220

    There are no magic words here that are going to make what you did more okay.

    There’s only what happened. You either act mature, admit what you did and accept the consequences, or you continue to lie and hide.

    But regardless, STOP CHEATING. Stop using your brothers old tests to “study”. Destroy them if you have to.

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    Kate
    December 26, 2018 at 2:29 pm #813222

    It’s basically, I wanted to let you know about something… [explain that you have your brother’s old tests he saved for you as study aides]… I used Bobby’s first test of the semester as part of my studying for our first test. On the day of the test, I realized the test was exactly the same. I figured that had to be a fluke because teachers change up the tests from year to year. But then it happened again. I have stopped using the tests to study because I don’t want to cheat and have an unfair advantage, but I wanted to let you know so this doesn’t happen in the future.

    Now that’d be a lot easier to say if you *hadnt kept cheating,* but there it is. You don’t mention you shared the tests with anyone else. If they ask, say you did with your one close friend but then you stopped after the first one.

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    Ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 2:48 pm #813225

    Also you should be looping in your parent not because doing so will help keep you from getting in trouble, but because you are still a kid and your parents should be guiding and teaching you to do the right thing.

    Your parents and the school should be working together to make sure this (and everything) is done in a way that is fair and teachable. That is why you should tell your parents, not so they can get you out of trouble. They should be guiding you in navigating a tricky situation for the first time, not trying to absolve you.

    It’s not clear to me that you have told them either, really, that you have been cheating half the school year. Would they really be okay with this? Have you actually been totally clear with them about things?

    If they are okay with it, well then I guess I can see how you’re having such a hard time doing the right thing…

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    K
    December 26, 2018 at 3:34 pm #813231

    Fine, don’t bring it up with your principal/teacher, but you could at least stop looking at the old tests to study. You may have them, but you don’t need to use them.

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    December 26, 2018 at 3:37 pm #813233

    Aside from the cheating aspect of this, I work with college students and one of the big causes of students failing classes is that they memorize stuff rather than understanding the concepts they are being tested on. A lot of students use seemingly helpful resources and think they are studying well (memorizing types of problems, practicing them over and over, etc.), but they are essentially just memorizing what they need to pass that test. In later classes, or if they have a teacher who writes a test in a way that requires them to APPLY what they’ve learned, they can’t do it. You don’t want to set up a situation where you can’t do well unless you’re cheating or where you’re expected to know information that you don’t know.

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    RedBlue
    December 26, 2018 at 3:48 pm #813236

    This is on the teacher who appears to be too stupid or too lazy to change up his tests, especially if he allows the students to take the test home.

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    ron
    December 26, 2018 at 3:48 pm #813237

    Yes you are taking an honors class. You can still not be smart enough to do well in a class at that level. Why do I say you need to worry that your parents worry that you are too stupid to pass this particular class? For the same reason that I say you are too afraid that you are too stupid for this class. You continue to cheat and your parents, having been told by you that the tests are the same and that you are studying based upon the actual test questions, have not told you that you must stop doing that. If you had the courage of your conviction that you know the material, have done all the normal study that you need to do, then….. the suggestion that you stop cheating with your brother’s old tests would be one you’d accept instantly. The fact that you persist in cheating and still say you are going to continue cheating says loud and clear that you are afraid that you aren’t able to get a good grade honestly. I took multiple honors and AP courses in HS and know full well that you can ‘flunk out’ of advanced courses with an 80 average. You are afraid of that or you would stop cheating.

    If you can’t talk to your parents (which you should do) and you can’t talk to your teacher (which you also should do), then talk to your school’s guidance counselor and ask him/her to facilitate a discussion with your teacher. Admit that you cheated, initially by accident. Don’t name names, but say that you know that most of the students know the tests are all repeats and that at least a third of students have copies of old tests. Say you don’t want to get anyone in trouble, that you are sorry you continued to treat, that you are very uncomfortable with the whole situation, but that you know the only way for this situation to change is for your teacher to create new tests every year. Hopefully the guidance counselor and teacher will resolve this without needing to involve the principal and you won’t get into much trouble.

    Your teacher is extremely unprofessional, but you and presumably a lot of other students are cheaters. I admit that your teacher practically led you by the nose to the cheating trough.

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    ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 3:54 pm #813240

    This is on the teacher who appears to be too stupid or too lazy to change up his tests, especially if he allows the students to take the test home.

    No dude, the student still bears responsibility for her actions.

    If your neighbor left their door unlocked all the time, is it okay to walk in their and take what you want? Of course not, you’re stealing just as much as if you had to break the lock to go in.

    Others’ negligence does not absolve us of our own responsibilities.

    I believe they literally teach it to all of us in kindergarten – two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Just because it’s super easy for her to cheat doesn’t get her off the hook here.

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    Northern Star
    December 26, 2018 at 4:00 pm #813243

    Nah, the (lazy) teacher isn’t “forcing” this student to cheat any more than someone leaving their car unlocked is “asking” for you to steal their stereo. People of any moral character don’t cheat or steal.

    I didn’t keep my tests for my younger siblings. Why in the world would I do that? I threw away my tests when the school year was over—like a normal person.

    I think it’s incredibly weird that this kid’s parents think she needs her older brother’s tests to study instead of… oh, say… her NOTES. Or BOOKS. Or TEACHER-SUPPLIED STUDY MATERIALS.

    Maybe she doesn’t understand that she’s a cheater because her parents are morally challenged as well.

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