I used my older sibling’s test to study and now my friends are calling me a chea
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And Abby, some of these people with the fancy credentials that can’t actually produce once they’re thrown into the fire, some of them are JDs.
So, congratulations on making it into a law school – of which there are many that need butts to fill seats to get those tuition dollars – but let me know how you’re doing once you actually start working.
I think the sad truth about this is that cheaters get far all the time some without being caught. I’m not by any means condoning cheating but I’m raising awareness to the harsh relatity that people cheat all the time, and most often they are the most monetarily successful people there are.
@Lia – I think the fallacy is that if you cheat, you will make it. Sure, maybe every billionaire is a cheater at some level, and the only way they could make it that far is because they cheated. But they aren’t that many crazy successful people overall. There are plenty of people who try to cheat their way to the top, and most get caught well before they get successful.
So, in the numbers came, you’re probably going to be one of the people that fails along the way.
Honestly, she’ll probably be a great lawyer. Seems like she has the right attitude (PDX816 – I kid, I kid! Sort of)
You better be 100% kidding, friend-o 🙂
and special note to abby, as someone who has spent 10 plus years working with attorneys, shame on you. you’re actions are the reason why I have to defend the amazing people I work for, because shitty, unethical attorneys give all of them a bad name.
Amen. And as someone who has spent 10 years AS an attorney, let me enlighten you as to a few things:
1.) The Character and Fitness portion of every state bar requires the acknowledgement of these kinds of things, only they do it so subtly that you don’t even realize what they’re asking for until it’s too late. I almost got my law license held up for a month for failing to note a one day suspension with pay I got at a job I had in HIGH SCHOOL. Trust me: they scour the internet looking for stuff, and you’re never as anonymous as you think you are.
2.) Assuming you do graduate and pass the bar (which is a big if these days, and getting into law school isn’t a guarantee of that), if your mentality is this there will come a time when you’re going to be before a judge on a case and they’ll ask you to think on your feet, and you’ll be stumped, and you will lose your case because you took the shortcut. Period. End of story. There is absolutely no way around rolling up your sleeves and doing the work.
3.) Having said that, did I share outlines of the coursework in law school? Sure. do I borrow/copy/reuse other people’s motions? You bet. Do I have templates I resuse? Absolutely. But those templates are constantly updated and double-checked to reflect changes in the law so I don’t look stupid, and in fact that’s what I usually do the week between Christmas and New Year’s each year. I do it because there are a lot of cases on the docket, and I don’t need to reinvent the wheel every time, and most of the stuff that’s boilerplate is information the opposing party isn’t disputing anyway (ex: “this is the case law that sets the rule we need you to apply, Judge”). That’s a world away from what you’re suggesting be done, abby.
Also, let’s be real here: you’re not in a Top 100 law school. You’re Tier 3, at best. I don’t have to know where you go to know that, because the admission criteria is self-selecting, and you don’t get in to a Harvard or a Yale or a Michigan or a Georgetown with the mindset you have. Or at least you don’t make it more than a year without washing out.
Kate – thank you for pointing that out.
ele4phant – you make good points, and any firm worth their name wont hire or keep someone who cheats.
Girl – a 3.07 even when you were cheating?
That’s not only not impressive, it’s downright embarrassing. And the law school that would take you with that GPA?
Would any of us even recognize it?
Again, come tell me how it’s going when you have a real job, with real stakes and people actually expecting quality work out of you.
Nmind – minsunderstood kates comment. Abby’s law school (if she’s actually in law school) has an average gpa 3.07.
The spirit of my point stands though – this is nothing to brag about and you haven’t yet proven your mentality is a recipie for success.
