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Yeah, her face didn’t move. I haven’t spent any real amount of time on her channel, but videos scrutinizing procedures celebs may or may not have done doesn’t sit the best with me. I’ve watched a few along those lines on TikTok. It’s unfortunate and problematic that so many unattainable standards of beauty start with celebs who have work done, but at the same time it’s hard for me to not feel a bit for those same people who are publicly scrutinized or torn apart in magazines, online, on TV, etc. for aging or gaining weight or whatever. Seems like a crappy vicious cycle to me and I’d not be surprised if many celebs have a lot of body image issues. My dad was pretty strict growing up and one thing he absolutely detested were women’s magazines. Like, HATED any time he saw me or my sister flipping through one. I didn’t understand why then, but I think I do now. It’s all super messed up.
Yes, despite all that I wrote above, I don’t think it’s inherently problematic if people are putting effort into their appearance because it makes them feel confident and put together.
So as far as being treated differently at different sizes goes, I’m not even talking hot girl favors, which was never my experience pre-weight gain. I’m just talking basic respect stuff. There were instances of unintentionally inappropriate comments as well as some comments with no other purpose than to be cruel for no reason. My sister has PCOS and has always been heavier and I’ve heard enough stories about what she’s experienced in work, dating, etc. that I can’t say I blame people for thinking that if they only looked a certain way — younger, slimmer, more whatever-we-deem-beautiful-in-the-moment — they’d be treated better.
A couple days ago I watched a few minutes of that Lorry Hill video linked a few pages back, it’s the only one of her videos that I’ve seen any amount of, and thought she absolutely looks like she’s had surgery. I’d never know what, specifically — she’s not going to be on Botched anytime soon — but didn’t think she looks natural or like she had just a little bit of filler or whatever.
So yeah, obviously, the patriarchy plays a huge role. Just look at how we talk about men who go grey as they age vs. women. Silver fox vs. “she’s so brave!” comments. There is a very real double standard. I’ve read/heard people say that men age better, but I disagree — they’re just “allowed” to age/look older.
I can’t speak for everyone, though, but I’m not out here trying to look a decade younger than I am. Like I said, I want to look refreshed/not tired.
As for body type, I have thin privilege and have most of my life, but I spent a few years of my 20s about 30 lbs heavier than I am now. I am petite, so this was a lot on my frame. I can 100% say I was treated differently — mostly by men — when I was heavier. (I assume something similar happens with aging, but am not there yet in my own like so cannot speak to it.) The diet industry is also, like, an $80 billion industry that preys on/profits off of our insecurities. (I don’t know as much about the beauty industry, but it, too, profits off of us in the same way.) Society’s ideal body type changes, too. When I was in high school, we glorified the rail thin celebrities while young women like Hilary Duff were called fat by the media… fast forward to a few years ago and Hilary Duff blew up the internet for how great her butt looked in a dress on set because that’s “in” these days.
So yeah, we can bank on “not being enough” always being in style.
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This is specific to non-surgical procedures, but Dr. Shereene (I feel self-conscious being a big hype woman for this doctor, haha) says a good rule of thumb in determining whether you’d like the results from a cosmetic dermatologist is to look at the people who work in the office. If they look unnatural or like they’ve had too much work/not how you’d want to look, that’s a good indicator that you won’t like the results you’ll get from that doc.
My sister and I have reached a kind of awkward point where people are surprised our age gap is only two years. We’ve gotten several comments in the past couple years. (Which, again, people could stand to think through their commentary before speaking.) I think genetics play a big role in things like skin and how we age and no amount of retinol or sunscreen can save us from that, but when I look at me and my sister, I think I’m the one who does a better job with the things within my control. I’m probably the bigger drinker, though.
My friend with the most beautiful, most flawless skin, it’s totally genetic. Her mom also has beautiful, flawless skin and claims her secret is to never wash her face. Like her mom, my friend does nothing and her skin is, like, RADIANT. One time I visited her and had forgotten my face lotion, so asked if she had some. She handed me some heavily scented, purple Bath & Body Works type stuff that I’m scared to put on my face. I think she should at least be using sunscreen (she lives in FL but it’s not something she does habitually unless she’ll be laying out), but I also think she will always have beautiful skin like her mom regardless.
I don’t pay a ton of attention to celebs, but yeah, Courtney Cox did not look good. No clue what she looks like now. There’s a TikTok account I’ve stumbled across that basically outs celebrities who claim they’ve never had work done for obvious changes to their faces. Not sure any of these people have any business running these types of accounts, sometimes I look at the pics she chooses and think, “Well, yeah, my nose shape would look different from different angles, too,” but I’ve watched a few.
I’m not even someone actively trying to stop aging in its tracks or even look younger — I’m frequently told I look young for my age, even by women about my age (which I mention just cause I think in your teens/20s, 30s can seem so far off/old, even though it’s not, so when a 20-something says something about it I just assume they have a skewed perspective of 30-somethings). But I would like to not look tired. Why some people feel the need to tell others they look tired, I don’t know. Generally speaking, I think I look good. I also think I’m going to age like my mom, who is 70 and looks great.
I’m curious why anyone doing fillers/Botox should be prepared to get a full facelift. I thought both were temporary and fillers (at least certain kinds) naturally dissolve. (Not sure what happens to Botox when it wears off.)
I have a fair number of friends already doing Botox, most of whom are early- to mid-30s and doing it preventatively. I’ve given not much thought at all to Botox, though if someone invited me to a Botox party, I’d go. Ha. I’ve given a little thought to fillers to give volume back to the under eye area/diminish dark circles. But not enough thought to actually go see a board certified cosmetic dermatologist and ask them what they recommend. I like the idea of a filler like Sculptra, which stimulates your body to produce its own collagen, but who knows if I’d be a good candidate for that. Other than dark under eye circles, I’m pretty okay with my looks. And the dark circles aren’t so bad that I feel actively self-conscious or anything, but it’d be nice to not look tired all the time.
I get sorta regular bikini waxes at European Wax Center (it’s a chain here, not sure if it’s national). I’m lax about it in the winter, but it’s nice for summer or before a vacation… swimsuit occasions, basically. I’m sure there are nicer salons for this, but this one works for me. I have sensitive skin, so the immediate result is a red bikini area, but irritation/inflammation pretty goes down quickly. Will never go back to shaving, which was more irritating for me, particularly if I had, for instance, several days in a row where I’d be in a swimsuit. I get an ingrown hair every now and then, but try my best to use the products I own to prevent them.
@hfantods If you are sincerely interested, there’s probably another brand you could try. I’ve actually heard good things about Rodan & Fields and a woman I follow on IG for running tips has insane lashes that she says are the result of their lash serum. Never tried it myself.
I’ve also never had a facial. I feel like my skin is finicky and don’t really want anyone else touching it, even a pro. I’ve thought about undereye filler before and even Botox but haven’t done anything outside of skincare basics at home.
So I like the La Roche Posay balm so far. I’ve used it the past few nights in a row and feel like it’s helping with redness, which I regularly deal with to varying degrees. It’s super thick, heavier than what I am used to (though in all fairness I am applying pretty liberally) but not in a way that I find off-putting as someone who hates feeling like there’s product on her face. Going to finish the tube before deciding if I’d repurchase but so far so good.
The lash serum packaging said 3-4 weeks for visible results, so we’ll see on that front.
Yeah!! It was good sunscreen, just didn’t work for me. When we were in Hawaii a couple years ago, we bought some of the local eco-friendly stuff. The brand is Ocean Potion. I had a rash that started mild and looked a little worse every day. I thought it was a reaction to wearing a wetsuit for some reason, but realized it was the sunscreen on maybe the second to last day of our trip. It continued to get worse before it got better so within a day or so of coming home, I was covered in hives everywhere but my face and learned online I was not alone. The boyfriend fared fine so I may have particularly sensitive skin.
This is the sunscreen I used that was recommended to me: https://www.laroche-posay.us/our-products/sun/body-sunscreen/anthelios-melt-in-milk-sunscreen-spf-60-antheliosmeltinmilk.html#tab=description. I bought it before we went to Utah last spring and did not burn (I often burn the first few sun exposures every year despite my best efforts), so I overall liked it. It was thick, though, and because my skin is dry, when I’d reapply, my dry skin was basically pilling off as I rubbed it in. I wouldn’t have put this stuff on my face under makeup, but would’ve repurchased for body use if I felt like it worked for my skin. I switched over to Supergoop after.
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