Kate
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But back to my original point. White men were *in power* for 400 years, and the way they’ve treated people of color is what’s making people protest and occasionally riot.
I don’t loathe white men, I loathe the ones who voted for Trump, and you know how I feel about Karens from that other thread.
Ron, their real problem is they hate and fear brown people.
Some small percentage of them voted for Obama in 2012, but that doesn’t absolve them of racism. They voted for Trump knowing EXACTLY what he stood for.
Of course, a smart candidate should try to win these folks, to win, but they’re still racist, sexist, misogynistic shits.
I’m not bringing up Hillary. That’s over. I’m bringing up the corrupt political machine that’s STILL conspiring against a democrat winning fairly because they are racist, xenophobic, misogynistic pigs. And so is every person who put them in power in 2016. Some I guess have seen the light since then, but most of them are all about it. Ron, the nihilism is BECAUSE of the racism, xenophobia, and sexism. Not a separate thing. They want to destroy what America is supposed to stand for and make it an America for white men.
Yup, I said it too. And sexism.
“Financial insecurity” here is code for white men who are afraid of losing their longstanding power and privilege in the US to people of color, and who want to be able to keep women in the kitchen.
Looks like NYC and L.A. cut police funding too.
Hillary lost because a group of republican men, enraged by a Black man in power, conspired with a foreign power to make sure their guy would win. And the electoral college which, white men.
No shit white women voted for Trump, we’ve been through this on the other Trump thread. More women than men voted for Hillary though. White women were about equally split, and a majority of white men were for Trump. You guys are really keeping your heads in the sand with this blame Hillary, blame women narrative while the Republican men in power are STILL cheating, could still win because they cheat, and their blindly loyal cult of white men is suiting up in tactical gear with assault rifles and their police (again, men) are killing people in the streets. Wake up.
There are many good white men who get it, by the way, but it’s white men as a group who’ve made it impossible for women to win. Somehow a Black man was able to win, in spite of everything whites have done to keep Blacks down, and white men reacted with unbelievable rage and proved they’ll do *anything* to get that power back and keep it, no matter how unconstitutional. Don’t kid yourself, they’ll do anything. I think America may have failed, and at this point I don’t blame anyone for wanting to watch it burn.
*white men.
It IS the white male patriarchy that’s rigged the whole thing. Jesus Christ. They’re in power. The married white women aren’t in power, the men are. They’ve brought up their women to believe their bullshit. Not that white women don’t have plenty to answer for, but who the fuck is in charge? Has been in charge for 400+ years (except for Obama, which we’re now paying dearly for)? MEN. Men are the ones fucking killing everyone. They’re the ones tearing up the constitution and wrecking the American experiment. It’s the Republican Party or whatever it’s become, and it is MEN.
I remember my dad telling me in July 2016 that Trump was colluding with the Russians, and it was hard to believe. But it’s been proven now, and he got away with it! You don’t seem to acknowledge it, I’m not sure why. It wasn’t just about “demonizing” Hillary, it was about foreign interference to make sure she didn’t win. You’re still dissecting everything she did wrong, like it’s her fault (and blaming women for not voting for her too), when you had these people doing traitorous completely unconstitutional shit to make sure Trump won. I just, my dad’s your age, approximately (71). He gets it. How do you not get it?
Ron –
You’re working with this narrative that Hillary Clinton failed. If she hadn’t fucked this up, things would be great right now. You don’t acknowledge what was going on behind the scenes while Obama was President to ensure she wouldn’t win. It was backlash, or whitelash or whatever. And they’re still doing it. They will do whatever dirty dishonest, inhumane, unconstitutional, illegal shit they need to do to win. I actually shudder to think of the backlash women would face had Hillary managed to win. I kind of do think Democrats need to be a lot more shrewd and less “just vote! Everything will be fine!” It won’t be. We’ll be playing a game of catch-up against a bunch of dirty judges to try to claw back the progress we made. I don’t know how to fix that, but it’s probably not what’s “worked” in the past.
