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Racism has definitely SPIKED in the past two decades. The economic collapse and ongoing destruction of the middle class left many of the newly poor angry, pissed off, and looking for somebody to blame… And so many turned on minorities and immigrants. Honestly? I fail to see their logic here. But that’s what happened.
The greatest Moral failing of every living generation is that political assassinations are now but a thing of the distant past.
Then a Black man winning the presidency sent them into armed militia and nazi party membership. It’s all about wanting everything for themselves and not wanting people of color to have it. And that’s been happening for hundreds of years, consistently.
Not tired of hearing from you Kate.
I don’t assume that everyone who voted for Trump loved Trump. I know they didn’t, because I talk to a lot of Republicans. Republicans always seem to rally around the party flag come election day. That doesn’t mean that they liked or approved up Trump. I still remember the Republican primary. Don’t you? I remember the ‘Never Trumpers’, now vastly diminished as Trump has intimidated these Republican politicians, who would do anything to stay in office. That is cowardice, not conviction. Probably not sexism or racism. Look at the tune Senators Graham and Collins used to sing. Now totally cowed into submission. I don’t think Senator Collins is sexist, but she has supported Trump every time it mattered. At her age, I would have thought she could afford to stand on principle and retire, rather than cave. But that is the Republican way and Trump is a bully. My Congressman, a Republican whom I have voted for on a couple of occasions, stood by principle and left the House.
BGM — I hear you about our aged, noncharismatic candidate. It wasn’t the DNC”s doing. There was a wide choice of very talented minority and women candidates in the field. There were relatively young candidates. The youngest voters abandoned younger candidates and focused on Bernie. The minority voters chose Biden or Bernie. It seemed a vote for the familiar. A fear that anyone new might lose to Trump. Biden was dead in the water until SC, and then the black voters saved his ass and from there he soared. If they had instead supported Kamila Harris or Booker? Women voters never seemed to line up behind any of the female candidates. If you wanted left, you couldn’t ask for better than Warren, male or female. If you wanted younger or more moderate you couldn’t do much better than Senator Klobuchar or Kamila Harris. The voters decided they didn’t want any of that. it was always Bernie or Biden.
Everyone who voted for Trump made the conscious decision that they could deal with the racism, misogyny, xenophobia, and violence if it would benefit them personally.
I voted for Elizabeth Warren. Unfortunately a lot of women who would have liked to vote for her now know a woman can’t win, and made the choice to vote for a man.
Kate —
You can LOL all you want, but racism does not explain why people who voted twice for Obama, suddenly voted for Trump. That makes no sense. They didn’t find the first black president so distasteful that they became irate racists. If they did, they wouldn’t have voted for Obama a second time and Obama’s approval ratings wouldn’t have been as high as they were.Yes, a lot of Trump voters were racist. I’ve never denied that. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VOTED REPUBLICAN EVERY, SINGLE TIME SINCE LBJ PASSED THE VIVIL RIGHTS ACT. These aren’t the voters I’m talking about. These voters are Trump’s base. They are not in play for any Democrat.
I am talking about the Obama to Trump swing voters. Racism makes ZERO sense as the reason for their switch. Misogyny explains part of it. But… not a few who supported Bernie strongly voted for Trump. As I’ve said, and don’t think you’ve refuted, other than to shout 400 YEARS OF WHITE MALE RuLE (plus Obama) many of these swing voters made a choice not based in racism. I live in a state that helped push Trump over the top after twice going for Obama. I talk to a lot of local Dems. Many, many loathed Clinton. Many were unwilling to just hold their nose and vote for her. What you don’t consider is that for many, winning control of their own party trumps winning a general election. It’s dumb, but this is the second time I’ve seen this play out, the first being Nixon/Humphrey. For many of my peers, the most important thing in their life was that what they saw as the LBJ-, pro-VietNam war wing of the party had to lose. I don’t think Humphrey even was pro that war, but he was LBJ’s VP and felt overly constrained in what he could say and then Mayor Daly stepped in to put the kids in their place. So many Dems just wanted everything Clinton gone.
Ron. They knew what he stood for and they said, “that’s ok with me.”
Anyway, it’s still only a very small slice of Trump’s pie. And sexism would definitely explain it, if you’re saying they would have voted for Bernie. And if they chose the man over the woman the first time HRC ran. So would Xenophobia. But a vote Trump is a vote for racism any way you slice it.
And yet Obama won, twice. That confuses me. Why the delayed racist reaction?
I think part of the backlash to Obama Presidency was he simply didn’t much deliver on promised hope and change. In the end, he was viewed by many as a member of the establishment that mainly only helped the establishment.
(Wages stayed stagnant under Obama. The middle class continued to thin. His environmental record was spotty as hell. The mishandling of the Gulf Oil Spill springs to mind.)
Sanders and Trump both boldly ran as outsiders hell bent on shaking up the system… The DNC’s reaction to all this rabble rousing? Oh dear me, no! We must instead stick with Mrs. Secret Corporate Meetings With Banks. ?♂️
Trump has popularized racism. Among his followers it’s hip, trendy, and cool as hell.
Had HRC won, I very much doubt we would see so many Karens calling the cops on black people. Trump emboldened Public racism to a level gone since the 1950s.
“ Trump has popularized racism. Among his followers it’s hip, trendy, and cool as hell.
Had HRC won, I very much doubt we would see so many Karens calling the cops on black people. Trump emboldened Public racism to a level gone since the 1950s.”
That’s true, they love being able to openly be racist assholes. It’s so refreshing after 8 years of a Black man in office and having to be “pc.”
Someone asked how Obama was in office for 2 terms. Idk, maybe because Russia started interfering on behalf of republicans during his second term? Maybe because the majority of Americans don’t condone racism?
