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Ron. The game is rigged. It’s not my job to have a solution to a game that’s been rigged forever. The Republican Party is playing really dirty. They cheat. They make up new rules. They brutalize America. They’re in power. Yes, there’s been progress, but they honestly just put us back 90 years. Trump couldn’t do what he’s done if they didn’t support it. I don’t have the answer, and I pray that the Democrats can do something once they’re in power. Maybe the answer really is just burn it all down.
Ron –
You’re working with this narrative that Hillary Clinton failed. If she hadn’t fucked this up, things would be great right now. You don’t acknowledge what was going on behind the scenes while Obama was President to ensure she wouldn’t win. It was backlash, or whitelash or whatever. And they’re still doing it. They will do whatever dirty dishonest, inhumane, unconstitutional, illegal shit they need to do to win. I actually shudder to think of the backlash women would face had Hillary managed to win. I kind of do think Democrats need to be a lot more shrewd and less “just vote! Everything will be fine!” It won’t be. We’ll be playing a game of catch-up against a bunch of dirty judges to try to claw back the progress we made. I don’t know how to fix that, but it’s probably not what’s “worked” in the past.
Yes Republicans cheat. And, they always campaign to frighten suburban white women to vote against some scary thing. The biggest ‘cheats’ are built into the constitutional system and partially represent political cheats from over a century ago, when so many tiny-in-population territories were admitted as individual states, leading to a big Ddemocratic electoral college disadvantage and a profound Senate disadvantage.
Yes, Republicans worked for a long time to demonize Hillary, but they did the same thing to Obama through his first term and he won re-election In part, we made it easy to focus on Hillary, because it was too obvious for too long that she would be the candidate to try to succeed Obama.
I still think Hillary could have and should have won, except for:
— walking away from Obama administration record, especially not campaigning in Midwest on saving auto industry and workers pensions. Losing Michigan was just complete malpractice.— totally misreading American’s views on the endless Middle East wars and campaigning as the hawk, with Trump denouncing stupid, endless wars. Way too many times she said Obama wasn’t tough enough and she’d be far tougher
— being too tied to the major banks at a time of economic unrest, including her rather scandalous series of paid speeches to big corporations, mainly banks, when she was all but official as a candidate
— following Bernie’s boldness, by being totally non-bold in her policy positions. Essentially refusing to either stand behind Obama accomplishments or campaign on change. Disclosure: I voted for Bernie in the primary
— relying to much on too many, too highly paid consultants, who were every bit as wrong as her campaign advisors when Obama beat her
I still have a hard time understanding how she did as poorly as she did with married white women. Older white women were supposed to be her unique base. In my district, when I was campaigning for Obama in that primary against her, these women certainly seemed to be her base and they were behind her. Disclaimer: this is a reasonably wealthy election district
I was stunned when Trump won our neighboring Northampton County, which went for Obama twice and was a highly pro-union county (although a lot of that industry is now dead, including Bethlehem Steel).
We do have the deck stacked against us, but is imperative that we overcome that and win. I don’t think America will be recognizable if we don’t win.
For those who want a black woman president, I think that Biden’s V.P. will have the best shot at that in history and for at least a decade to come.
I remember my dad telling me in July 2016 that Trump was colluding with the Russians, and it was hard to believe. But it’s been proven now, and he got away with it! You don’t seem to acknowledge it, I’m not sure why. It wasn’t just about “demonizing” Hillary, it was about foreign interference to make sure she didn’t win. You’re still dissecting everything she did wrong, like it’s her fault (and blaming women for not voting for her too), when you had these people doing traitorous completely unconstitutional shit to make sure Trump won. I just, my dad’s your age, approximately (71). He gets it. How do you not get it?
I don’t know why you would say that. I totally believe that Russia interfered on Trump’s behalf. I also think that without Comey’s putting a fat thumb on the scale, Hillary would have won, even with her missteps. With a good campaign, she still should have won. And yes, I guess I do put a lot of blame on married white women for being as strong for Trump as they were as a group. In a party with many separate constituencies that must be satisfied and held together, a candidate who can’t win their own demographic is a problem. I have no doubt that if Elizabeth Warren were the candidate, she would have won. I have only a little doubt that Bernie would have won. Trump was an awful person, who didn’t even expect to win.
You keep leaning on men and race, but I don’t see those as important as you do. Married white men and women aren’t all that different in whom they vote for. Single white women are very different than white men in their voting.
You talk of Trump’s uncrackable 35% base. Well, 25% of that 35% are white evangelical Protestants who line up almost unanimously behind him, men and women, young and old, in greater numbers than they voted for very religious evangelical Protestant Jimmy Carter or George W. Bush.
It IS the white male patriarchy that’s rigged the whole thing. Jesus Christ. They’re in power. The married white women aren’t in power, the men are. They’ve brought up their women to believe their bullshit. Not that white women don’t have plenty to answer for, but who the fuck is in charge? Has been in charge for 400+ years (except for Obama, which we’re now paying dearly for)? MEN. Men are the ones fucking killing everyone. They’re the ones tearing up the constitution and wrecking the American experiment. It’s the Republican Party or whatever it’s become, and it is MEN.
There are many good white men who get it, by the way, but it’s white men as a group who’ve made it impossible for women to win. Somehow a Black man was able to win, in spite of everything whites have done to keep Blacks down, and white men reacted with unbelievable rage and proved they’ll do *anything* to get that power back and keep it, no matter how unconstitutional. Don’t kid yourself, they’ll do anything. I think America may have failed, and at this point I don’t blame anyone for wanting to watch it burn.
FWIW even if Trump loses somehow the genie is out of the bottle. America’s international reputation is fucked and I doubt too many people who have felt vindicated in their open racism by this presidency are going to go away quietly.
In a rare bit of good news the Minneapolis city council voted to disband and radically restructure its police force.
