I used my older sibling’s test to study and now my friends are calling me a chea

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    Juliecatharine
    December 25, 2018 at 10:50 pm #813095

    Ron drops the mic. Damn.

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    wcgreen
    December 26, 2018 at 9:18 am #813140

    You did not cheat. You read the same information presented in class, in the textbook, in study groups, and in whatever other methods used to disseminate the material–albeit in a different form. When you took the test, you relied on your memory of all that info to answer the questions.

    Had you not studied and used only your brother’s test to take your exam (i.e., brought your brother’s test to class and copied the answers from it,) that would be cheating.

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    December 26, 2018 at 10:03 am #813148

    Ok wc, whatever you say. If you honestly believe that seeing the tests and knowing how close they are to the real one doesn’t change her study habits then you are as dumb as the OP.

    My moral compass is this: if I would be afraid to tell someone in a position of authority that I did X thing, then it is not morally right, even if it is technically legal and/or socially acceptable. OP you are obviously (and for good reason) afraid to tell someone in a position of authority about this, so you must know that it is not morally right even if is technically allowed. You can take the high road and stop cheating any time. Sooner or later, the things you are not learning from this class will catch up with you… next year, college, your first job, whatever.

    (Also if you think this class is dumb and you’ll never use it, well maybe you’re right. But learning how to be a good, honest person is definitely a life skill that will come back again and again. Not everything you are supposed to learn comes from a textbook..)

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    Northern Star
    December 26, 2018 at 10:32 am #813154

    You’re an unrepentant cheater, and you intend to continue cheating.

    Your teacher is lazy, but your teacher also probably doesn’t expect her students’ parents to instruct their kids to cheat.

    Sad all around.

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    Ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 12:09 pm #813177

    Jesus the people saying this isn’t cheating –

    If you deliberately look up the exact questions and answers that will be on a test you take ahead of time, it’s cheating. Full stop.

    It doesn’t matter if you also study other materials.

    It doesn’t matter if lots of other people are doing the same thing.

    It doesn’t matter if the old test is your “property”, passed onto you by someone else.

    It doesn’t matter if the teacher makes it super easy for you to do.

    It doesn’t matter if you haven’t gotten caught.

    You are cheating if you look up the answers ahead of time. That’s what cheating is.

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    December 26, 2018 at 12:14 pm #813180

    @Northern Star yes these parents are a mess. If my parents had found out my sister (who was 2 years behind me and took all the same classes with all the same teachers) was using my old tests to study and they were anywhere close to the new tests, they probably would have told the school themselves. That may be why my parents raised 3 rule-abiding goody-two-shoes kids. But on the bright side they’re probably never going to have to bail any of us out of jail.

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    Ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 12:15 pm #813181

    Also it doesn’t matter if you have to remember the answers day of because you didn’t actually bring the old test with you to copy verbatim. You are just kind of bad at cheating.

    If you already know what’s going to be on the test and you know what the right answers are, even if you don’t have a photographic memory, that’s cheating.

    It’s not at all like fully reviewing your notes and the concepts covered over the term in anticipation of them maybe being on the test, in a question form that will be a surprise to you.

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    ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 12:29 pm #813187

    Finally OP, if this is an algebra test, you probably will use the skills this class teaches you, so you would be served to actually learn the material.

    Our country (I’m guessing you’re American?) is pretty math illiterate, which is a shame. Because the truth is math is pretty integral to a lot of technical professions. And even if you find yourself in a more professional job, sure you may never need to solve what y is, but algebra teaches us how to approach and solve problems in a systematic way. Everyone benefits knowing how to do that.

    Basically all of school is teaching us how to think, and we will apply those skills all of our lives, even if we move on from the subject material.

    So, take the class fairly for yourself, if nothing else.

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    I need help
    December 26, 2018 at 1:57 pm #813211

    Ron, not sure why you suspect my parents think I’m too stupid to pass Algebra 1. I’m in the honors class of Algebra 1 (Honors Algebra is the highest possible class you can take in my school) and my parents are aware of that. I’ve had one discussion about this with my mom that lasted about 30 seconds which took place maybe 2 months ago and never brought up again (she’s not worried about my grades or anything). All that discussion was basically me telling me mom that my teacher reuses tests and she laughed and said “don’t depend on it,” or something like that. Her laugh was a combination of surprise and humor due to my teacher’s decision. Since I could remember my mom told my brother to save all his work so I can use them to study and if I was the older sibling, my mom would tell me the exact same thing.

    Also, I know and can apply all the skills learned in the class. I wouldn’t say that having a previously used test/quiz has changed my study habitats. I’m studying about the same amount as I did last year and the class I took had a similar difficulty level.

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    ele4phant
    December 26, 2018 at 2:06 pm #813212

    Also, I know and can apply all the skills learned in the class. I wouldn’t say that having a previously used test/quiz has changed my study habitats.

    Great, then you don’t need to look-up the answers ahead of time. So stop and get rid of the tests.

    If you’re still using them, you’re still cheating.

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    I need help
    December 26, 2018 at 2:06 pm #813214

    The solution of coming forward to my principal and teacher doesn’t seem like something I would do. However, it’s possible that things change (there’s still like 6 more months of school). I’ve asked this before but how would I go about confronting my teacher and principal? I don’t think my parents being present with me would really change anything honestly. If I did tell my parents that I think this is a problem, I suspect that they’d be neutral (thinking teacher’s fault but I’m still responsible). Even if my teacher was confronted about her tests she would probably just change the number in the equations and word problems but keep everything else as it is. Not every single one of my teacher’s test/quiz was exactly the same but they all had the same format (first equations, then word problems, stuff like that).

    This situation isn’t keeping me up at night so if I don’t do the “right” thing it wouldn’t haunt me (if that makes sense). If I do get caught or something bad happens, I’ll definitely post here so others can learn from my mistakes and maybe receive some more advice.

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    December 26, 2018 at 2:09 pm #813216

    You bring in the old and new tests and tell them exactly what you told us.

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