Uncle/father UPDATE! Test has been done!!
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August 23, 2018 at 10:40 am #788752
Blaming his friends for his addiction and criminal behavior is bogus, Tiffani.
Adults are accountable for their actions.
Remember when you were blaming the mother from keeping your granddaughter from you?
But you still have made NO effort to see her.
Time is rushing by and you haven’t even gone to meet her once. That’s YOUR FAULT.
Maybe you are avoiding therapy because you’d have to think about your accountability. You’d have to look closer at yourself. Burying might make you feel better temporarily but it won’t last.
August 23, 2018 at 10:56 am #788756If you can live in this state of denial and fantasy about your son’s shitty behavior it’s no wonder he’s a fuck up. Stay the fuck away from that little girl before you do any more damage.
LisforLeslieAugust 23, 2018 at 10:57 am #788757“…landed him in jail more than once.”
Nope. Unless he’s the best safecracker in the world and he was extorted into his second time in jail because the crime boss was holding you hostage…
Yeah no. You land in jail, you made some bad decisions, maybe you were influenced by your friends. You land in jail more than once… you know the consequences. You made the choice. Your son is an adult. And a criminal. And an addict. Why would any mother want to allow their child to have contact with an addict and felon?
You are the most narcissistic selfish person I’ve encountered in a while. You have been bashing the mother and enabling your son and now you want to literally use a baby as a tool to get your son on the straight and narrow. Let me repeat that… you want to use a child, regardless of the potential harm, emotional damage, whatever, to manipulate your son to be a better person.
I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes. I would not want to have two drug addicted sons. I am sorry that your other son committed suicide. But this child, this innocent child, is not responsible for making your living son better. The only person who is responsible is your son. You see this child only as a tool, you don’t like this child. You don’t want contact with this child. You want this child to solve problems that you can’t and your son can’t.
You are a foolish selfish person.
Ruby TuesdayAugust 23, 2018 at 1:33 pm #788789If you raised your sons to be better people, why is one dead and the other an unemployed drug addict with a lengthy criminal record? Take some fucking responsibility for yourself and stop using this child as a pawn in your twisted game to make your remaining son love you.
Tiffani,
I see you haven’t responded to people asking if you’ve seen a grief counselor yet. I REALLY REALLY hope you do. As for your living son being the father, it’s not a win for anybody. It’s putting more pressure and emotional turmoil on him when what he needs is stability.
I also don’t see why you’re so sure you’ll see the child. The mother isn’t (rightfully) speaking to you, you’ve made no effort to see the child before this… Your son can’t offer child support and doesn’t want to go to court, which means he probably won’t push for any visitation and if the mother is smart and cares for her child (which i think she is/does) she’ll ask for very limited supervised visitation. Which means you won’t be invited. Shame you’ve ruined having a relationship with your granddaughter, but it’s not what you wanted anyways. You wanted another tool (this child) to leverage against your son to force him to be on the straight and narrow, this tool won’t work just like all the others you’ve tried using.
ronAugust 23, 2018 at 1:57 pm #788792RT — I think that gets at LW’s problems more than grief and points to the therapy she needs. Her problem is mainly guilt for the way both of her sons turned out. If she can shift blame to the mother of her grandchild, for willfully withholding the magic bullet which would have saved both of her sons, then she hopes to feel better about herself and her performance as a mother. There must be a villain, because she believes her sons are good at the core and wants to believe that she was a good mother or at least the best mother possible. ‘Followed friends’ is too amorphous to be satisfying, but in this one mother of a small child, she can create a living, breathing villain upon who to focus all her anger and upset about her sons’ lives.
Of course this assigns an impossible responsibility to an infant and her mom. If these young men couldn’t fix themselves, and there mother couldn’t steer them in the right direction or fix them after the fact, and two times in jail and drug rehab hasn’t fixed living son, then he may well be past the point of being fixable and at least is not going to be fixed by being presented with the new responsibility of a child.
We are at full employment. Full employment plus. Tattoos won’t prevent son from getting a job, if he wants one. There are jobs which don’t require passing a drug test, which he probably could not pass, but doesn’t need to pass to find some job. He does have to want a job. He does have to be able to show up on time and complete a full work day. That is what mom should be pushing.
It’s just so much easier to blame all your problems and yours and your families failings on a young mother who was doing her best to protect her baby, now infant, from addicted, criminal, drug dealers. Young mother has done nothing wrong.
If your son isn’t employable then why do the test? He isnt going to support his daughter and now the child doesn’t get any benefits she would have from the dead father. You have acted in a way to damage this child. You have literally taken food and resources from her. Well now daddy gets a job. Any job doing anything because he has a child to support
August 24, 2018 at 9:26 pm #789054How long until we see a contentious post about child support?
My bet is he won’t even want to claim his paternity because he doesn’t want the responsibility, financially or emotionally.
He didn’t want to go to court for a test. He won’t want to for custody either.
Genetics nerdAugust 25, 2018 at 12:18 pm #789090Hey, I hope this isn’t considered derailing from the main points made here so far but I just wanted to say that paternity testing in cases where the potential fathers are siblings is more complex than standard testing. The testing lab really needs to be told in advance!
Paternity testing just looks at a handful of markers, it’s not as if we’re doing whole genome sequencing (which would be crazy expensive and totally unnecessary) or even looking at all of the most common variable regions in the genome (AKA SNP testing that services like 23andme use). Using a small set of markers for paternity is good enough generally as the likelihood is extremely low that any two random men from the same ethnic group would have the same signature at those markers. Brothers aren’t just any two random men, though. The likelihood that they would share those same markers is low but it’s not absurd. That’s why any lab carrying out a paternity test NEEDS to know that there are two potential fathers who are brothers. In those cases more markers will be included in testing to more confidently exclude one brother as the father.
That doesn’t change the excellent advice given here, of course. I just wanted to say it’s not impossible that the test is “wrong.” In this case the parameters of the test would need to be changed to account for the close degree of relatedness between potential dads.
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