What exactly is wrong about this story from my childhood?
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ronJanuary 20, 2019 at 10:16 pm #816583
Hunter —
The unembellished story is more realistic and may even be true. The biggest hole from my perspective is that the guy who bullied you isn’t going to fear you, or respect, or decide that you deserve not to be bullied, because you hit him in the ass when he wasn’t looking. Where I grew up, that would just be incentive for him to beat the crap out of you. Not to do so would make him look bad to his cronies.I’m assuming that the story you wrote for class was the embellished version. Even if your revised story is true, the one you wrote isn’t. It’s also pretty dumb, because you seem to go to a relatively small school and I’d be surprised if some of your classmates didn’t know the truth. That’s why they aren’t pleased with your story. Lying to make yourself important or heroic rarely goes over big.
January 21, 2019 at 2:31 am #816591I’m going to ask this, and I don’t mean this in any way to be an insult; it’s just an observation that’s prompted my question:
Assuming the person in that video is you, Hunter, have you ever been diagnosed with any kind of spectrum disorder of any kind? Your mannerisms and speech pattern remind me a lot of many people I’ve seen with those disorders, and if it was true it would put A LOT of what’s gone on in this thread into a greater context.
You don’t have to answer this at all if you don’t want to. I’m just curious.
LisforLeslieJanuary 21, 2019 at 10:08 am #816630Oy vey…
Dude, hero’s don’t brag. I know you had to write an assignment, but you tried to make it sound like you were SuperDuperDude keeping a low profile like Clark Kent when you’re getting bullied but holding it together because you know your own super powers but when it happened to a defenseless little girl – Oh No! Hero needs to step in.
Look -you’re 16, you have been given some shitty advice from the adults in your life. Don’t resort to violence when words haven’t been tried. Don’t lay hands on men or women unless you are defending yourself. Women aren’t that fragile – yes, we’re not as strong as men, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t defend ourselves. Superman doesn’t need to defend Wonderwoman -she can hold her own, but it’s good to know someone’s got your back.
I don’t care whether the story is true or not. But the way you embellished it diminishes the actual impact of stepping in when someone was getting bullied. And your reasons for stepping in – because it was a girl -also disturbing; would you have done the same thing if it was a boy from your class?
January 21, 2019 at 11:14 am #816639Woah, this was a strange read this morning. Listen, Hunter, I believe you’re a 16-year-old boy who believes you did something great in 3rd-grade and can’t understand why people aren’t giving you the credit you think you deserve. I also believe that you were diagnosed with Autism when you were very young and I believe that that diagnosis is absolutely relevant to this whole situation and I hope you are continuing to get support. People with high functioning autism, which I am guessing is your diagnosis, tend to fixate and obsess on certain topics; they also often miss or misinterpret social cues, get bullied as children, and have trouble sort of understanding social context and their place within that context. I have a lot of compassion and empathy for you. I think this was probably the wrong forum to for you to seek whatever it was you were seeking, and I wonder how you even ended up here.
The thing is, you aren’t a hero for standing up for a pretty girl years ago when you were 8. But you aren’t an anti-hero either. You’re just a kid, trying to figure things out. One of the things I hope you figure out is that women and girls don’t need “saving” from men and boys. There’s no such thing as a knight in shining armor, and even if there were, I would hope he would help everyone he thinks needs support and not just girls and women he thinks are pretty.
I’m rooting for you and hope you find the appropriate outlet for your energy, your curiosity, and the gifts you are lucky to have!
January 21, 2019 at 11:26 am #816644Thanks for sharing your background. That’s helps a lot in our being able to give advice.
I’m sorry that people picked on you here. When you added on to your story that made it sound fake and made people assume you were lying about who you were and why you were posting. People who tell lies tend to lie about pretty much everything. Because of the lies in the story you weren’t credible so people doubted everything.
It’s a good thing to step in when you see that someone needs help. Now that you are sixteen you would probably handle the situation in a different way than you did when you were eight. You did the best you could and you stopped a bully. That was good. If you had stuck to the real story it would have been much better received.
We all hope that you didn’t help her just because she was a girl or just because she was pretty. We hope that you help any person who needs help. I personally helped an elderly man last week with a flat tire. I think that you are a good person and would help the elderly man too. You’ve got a good heart.
Just tell things as they are and as they really happened in the future and you will get a much better response.
January 21, 2019 at 12:39 pm #816657For what it’s worth, Hunter, I wasn’t assuming you were diagnosed with anything. That’s why I asked you about it. I deal with a lot of people with spectrum disorders in my work, and I’ve noticed a lot of similarities in speech patterns and mannerisms that are often taught as methods to “blend in”, for lack of a better term. It’s relevant because, as Wendy put it:
People with high functioning autism, which I am guessing is your diagnosis, tend to fixate and obsess on certain topics; they also often miss or misinterpret social cues, get bullied as children, and have trouble sort of understanding social context and their place within that context
Now, I don’t know where on the spectrum you fall, and I agree with you that THAT isn’t relevant. But the fact that you are ON it does change the context of this considerably, because it explains why you’re having trouble understanding the issues presented here. You’ll also notice that the tone of the replies changed considerably once that information was given, not because of some pity for you or something but because criticizing someone with a spectrum disorder for misunderstanding social cues is like criticizing an English speaker for not understanding Portuguese; you can do it over time, but it takes practice and learning.
I agree with Sky’s last response. You sound like a good guy who made the choice to get involved and do what your moral compass told you was the right thing to do. What people are reacting to negatively now is the concept that you did it because she was pretty, because there are unfortunately a lot of guys out there who would only intervene BECAUSE she was pretty and because they hoped she would “owe” them; in other words, doing it for the wrong reasons. I don’t think that’s why you did it, but I think if you told the exact same story and avoided the adjectives — in other words, if the fact that she was a girl was just what it was and not the motivation for you getting involved — the criticisms would die down quite a bit. And for those that don’t, you need to just remember that nothing you do in life is going to be universally loved or hated, and you just have to decide whether the opinions of those who disagree with you matter to your day-to-day life. If they do, change; if they don’t, ignore them.
If a kid with autism or a learning disability told me that story irl, I’d go along with it. My brother has some issues and tells a lot of fantasy stories that I think he really believes on some level, so it’s like, “ok, sure.” But when I kid I don’t know posts in forums and asks what’s wrong with his story, I’m gonna tell him. Honesty was called for. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings though, Hunter, really.
@Hunter- I got bullied in elementary. If someone had pelted one of those kids, I probably would have felt like you feel about it, especially if they continued to be a bully that was good at manipulating adults.
Some kids never grow up. They go on to be confident, domineering adults. But sometimes kids who were bullied can grow up and become bullies, themselves. Kids who are an easy target for bullies sometimes become insecure and learn to sometimes bully other kids. This is a good article to read about it:
https://www.parentingscience.com/bully-victims.html
It is good that you cared when you saw someone getting hurt and laughed at on the playground all of those years ago. Your family and the people who care about you probably wanted you to be able to defend yourself and others.
Because the kid who got hurt was smaller than you, when you got angry and lashed out at your bully, people who care about you wanted you to feel proud about having a value systems that encourages you to help other people even if it puts you at risk.
But while it may have felt personally satisfying to you, it didn’t stop that girl from landing on her ass nor did getting one over on the adults help fix the playground situation. It was a moment in time where you ended up feeling you got one up on that bully and didn’t get in any trouble for it.That was a noble instinct for you when you were eight but now when you tell the story people want to make sure that you don’t think beating someone up is the best way to prevent bullying at your current grade and age.
Sometimes parents and communities teach boys that bullying is a normal part of their gender and getting into physical fights is somehow a rite of passage to becoming a man or demonstrating that they have courage to protect others.
One issue with this is that there are a lot of people in the world who don’t conform to strict gender roles. And even if they do, girls can be mean, too. They can be just as brave and courageous. They can outwit and outfight as well as the next person. Most of the time, people who have bigger builds or more testosterone or special skills DO need to be aware that there is a power difference between themselves and someone who differs in size or physical aptitude.
Sometimes parents will teach boys that girls are to be put on pedestals. But a lot of people find that paying too much attention to someone’s gender when deciding how to treat them ends up making it harder to really get to know a person for their character.
Because you’re in high school lots of kids are in the process of figuring out what they think about gender differences, especially because a lot of teenagers are in romantic relationships or maybe going out on dates people have a lot of feelings about what it means to treat other’s fairly and respectfully, especially when there may be a lot of hormones.
So when you write the story and embellish it, you will probably get a critical reaction from people who are sensitive about being treated as equals. When you write you defended “a little girl” that is going to make people wonder if you think of girls or women as so different from yourself or boys your age that you aren’t able to see them accurately.
When you tell your story you should assume nobody knows anything about you. They don’t know if you are a bully, or a misogynist (someone who doesn’t treat women as equals), or trying to impress others with exaggeration (because that makes people behave more skeptically towards you).
I’m sorry I assumed your story was fake. I hope my link to the Christmas story wasn’t hurtful to you. I think most people tend to think of themselves as the “good guy” in their memories. It’s normal, but as you get older, you’ll realize that not everyone is going to share your point of view.
ronJanuary 21, 2019 at 1:46 pm #816673Kate —
I think you and Guy Friday just hurt his feelings worse. When he says this isn’t about his autism diagnosis, I think he is saying that he lives in the wider world with all of us and wants to be treated as an equal individual, judged by his own actions as we all would expect to be judged, not excused with an ‘okay, that’s just how high-functioning autistic persons are and I would have said what I said, had I known’. He is very high functioning and sincerely wants to know what was amiss with what he wrote. -
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