Kate
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I’m not picking on anyone, more just reacting to the idea of tabling this for when the child is older and can understand the gravity of guns. I don’t know that that’s applicable here, with this guy and his motivations, and still doesn’t address the issue that he wants to keep the gun loaded and with him, and presumably in his nightstand in case of burglary. A troubled older kid could get his hands on that gun, as could a naive toddler.
Look, I don’t think it’s inherentlu wrong to own a gun and keep it properly secured, unloaded, with the ammo properly secured somewhere else, particularly if you grew up with guns, it’s your culture, you use the gun for target practice, whatever. But that is completely different from a guy who never owned a gun and only occasionally shot one (fuck, even I’ve shot guns a bunch of times and got the safety certificate so I could have gotten a license, but I still have no business handling one), and now suddenly wants to concealed-carry a loaded weapon whenever he’s out in public with his family because he’s scared. And has a toddler boy and maybe other kids on the way. This situation is pretty fucked and I see no relation to traditional gun-owning families like the ones mentioned in this thread.
Oh, I don’t think she’ll change his mind with the stats. Not at all. She needs to be able to clearly articulate a case, though, particularly if she’s putting her foot down and saying she’ll leave him; it’s her or the gun. She will need to explain why she feels so strongly about it.
Walmart actually stopped selling AR-15s 3 years ago but they didn’t make a big deal about it. It was because they had sluggish sales, not for humanitarian reasons.
I think it was at least 3 of the 10 that were military.
Oh never mind, I guess there are a few.
Please link to the articles about US citizens stopping mass shootings?
No it’s not, is it? Every piece you read says to get the fuck out of there to safety, grab people who are scared to run, and let the first responders do their jobs. Statistically, it will be over in 10 minutes, and you need to get away from the shooter’s line of sight and either keep moving or hide yourself in a barricaded room until it’s over. The idea of pulling out a handgun and shooting at someone with a semiautomatic rifle to keep your family safe, rather than getting them away from the shooter, is absurd.
He couldn’t be 100% accurate. Law enforcement officers on TV are saying – in response to the idea of arming teachers – that on a clear blue day, officers hit their stationary targets with 85% accuracy. That goes down to 18% in an active shooter situation. For men and women who are trained professionals. And yeah, if they could hit their mark less than 1 out of 5 times, where are the other 4 bullets going? Not to mention, like Leslie said, if the cops arrive and you don’t have your empty hands in plain sight, they could absolutely think you’re the shooter and shoot YOU.
Not that this scenario is ever going to happen, but…
Just knowing where the exits are would go far in keeping you all safe. Look at a map of an event venue ahead of time. Note and sit near exits at movies and such. At restaurants, sit with your back to a wall and facing the entrance. Be prepared to run and know the most effective strategies for getting away, how to barricade in a room if you can’t get outside, how to fight back as a last resort if your only other option is getting shot…
But seriously, if he’s letting paranoia take over, that’s not good.
And it’s not just about owning a gun, it’s about feeling the need to carry a loaded weapon around in case of a violent incident. I wonder about the intelligence, maturity, and common sense of a guy with these beliefs. He could keep his family safer by learning how to react and respond in a shooter situation, leading you all to safety, than he ever could by taking out a weapon and trying to hit the shooter… while you and your kid(s), what? Stand behind him? Run for cover like you’re supposed to and get separated from him? It’s just foolish.
ETA, yeah, what Vathena said about paranoia. Is he also big into conspiracy theories?
