Covid Support Thread
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The States are no longer United. Why carry on with this dismal pretense? Intelligent places like California fucking carry the red states financially — and yet we get nothing out of the exchange. Nothing except shitty Presidents and a Court that is anything but Supreme.
Talk about hindsight. The logic of the Civil War now eludes me. Being forever saddled with the useless South is about as hollow a victory one can get.
Kate —
I get that you’re angry, but your argument seems to be with Republicans, not Democrats. You scream 400 YEARS OF WHITE MALE rule, yet Biden is the only white male nominated by Dems in the past 16 years, so what you complain about doesn’t seem to actually be a Dem problem. Must we always nominate someone who isn’t a white male to satisfy you?You say that ‘they’ reacted to Obama by forming militias, since they were racist. I guarantee you that 1) these are not people who ever would have voted for Obama and 2)that they had militias prior to Obama. So what does that statement of yours even mean?
Racism is not the reason that Trump won. The Rs had racism going for them when Obama won twice. We can win, despite the Trump base’s racism, sexism, and xenophobia. Obama proved that. What we have to do is offer hope and a plan to solve people’s real problems. You are basically taking Hillary’s ‘deplorables’ approach. If you want to win, you can’t write off people, who were broad-minded enough to vote for Obama. That is futile. People vote for their own reasons. In 2016 a lot of people wanted to shake up a system that they thought had stopped working for them or caring about them. People can, especially if provided with a fig leaf, vote for someone who holds horrible views, if they see in him a ray of hope for themselves. And yes, like it or not, most voters vote to benefit themselves. Actually, i don’t find that surprising. Real people need to put food on the table, keep their jobs and houses, feel that they are treated with dignity. Take that away and.. A lot of people had their self-view and dignity tied up in their job and the $ they earned. America sells that view.
“Must we always nominate someone who isn’t a white male to satisfy you?”
Not at all. This has nothing to do with me. My argument is that women and people of color are angry as hell about what’s been done to them over 400 years of being held down by men. Angry enough to burn shit down in some instances.
Progress has been made under some democratic presidents (who, yes, were men), and now that progress has been largely wiped out by a bunch of little bitch boys who’ve hijacked the Republican Party and will cheat and destroy the constitution to win.
Anyone with such a vested interest in arguing that the people who voted to put these guys in power are good people, I have to conclude is also on some level racist and/or sexist and/or xenophobic.
Also, Ron, I’m not writing those few Obama / Trump switchers off. I don’t personally want anything to do with those pieces of shit, but a good candidate will speak to them.
And a good broad-minded citizen should vote for democracy and what’s best for the country, sorry.
And I guess that the Democrats who’ve voted for Biden are trying to do what’s best for democracy because they believe he can beat trump. I’m sure he can, in a fair fight. I didn’t vote for him in the primary but I’ll vote for him in November because it’s the right thing to do. Those who sat out voting for HRC or switched to Trump did the wrong thing for democracy and we’re paying the price.
One could have argued in 2016 that shaking up a broken system was best for the country. And the democracy.
Now I would never have argued that Trump was the solution. Far from it! But I can see how the dimmer, the more easily fooled and manipulated masses sincerely believed that much.
You are looking at everythinh through the glaring prism of the now.
Trump’s racism was much more covert in 2016. It was there, sure. But much more coded.
More HRC isn’t exactly a much of a hero to the metoo movement. Witness her dismal ongoing treatment of Monica Lewinsky.
It was totally out in the open. Have you seen that meme going around about, give me one instance where Trump was racist, and there are like 10 of them, from the 80s until 2016? And if that wasn’t enough, he was on tape admitting to sexual assault.
If these people realize they made a huge mistake, great, welcome back to sanity. If they haven’t seen it by now, they’re truly deplorable.
PS — it’s still so fucking bizarre to me that the Clintons both gleefully attended Trump’s fucking wedding in 2005. Newsflash: I’ve never gone to the wedding of such scum. Much less flashed so much gums as I posed for pictures. But then I am not soulless hot garbage myself.
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And Ron is seemingly defending people who voted for Trump *and would do so again* unless promised a job by Biden. That means they 100% know what Trump is capable of and still okay with it. Come on.
Look, I have a photo in my desk drawer of my own mother in 1989 getting a book signed by Trump, the “successful businessman.” Maybe people didn’t know or care about his racism when he was just a real estate guy or reality TV star, but it was out there during his campaign, certainly by November 2016.
PS, Hillary Clinton did not vote for Trump and neither did my mom.
